[NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow

Ginger Paque virginiap at diplomacy.edu
Fri Jul 28 02:31:38 CEST 2017


Thanks for the clarification, Dina.

Then I certainly support discussion of this issue in a wider space, and
appreciate previous offers to continue the discussion, and bring it up in
other appropriate venues.

I think it's a good idea to bring it up with the programme director as
well. Good luck!

Ginger

Virginia Paque
DiploFoundation



On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:26 PM, thomascovenant <
dinasolveig at thomascovenant.org> wrote:

> Hi Mamadou,
>
> agreed. I will share this thread with the Program director, I hope
> reconsidering this obligatory Facebook rule is possible.
>
> > I do not know it is the case here.
>
> Unfortunately I am not on the list as this is my first ICANN technical
> fellowship, which I am very happy to receive - though I hope it will not
> be the ICANN Facebook one. :)
>
> Jalkanen Dina Solveig
> --
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> thomascovenant
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>
> On 28.07.2017 01:05, Mamadou LO wrote:
> > Totally agree with Ginger but only those who have completed one
> > fellowship program are only included in the fellows mailing list. I do
> > not know it is the case here.
> > Mamadou
> >
> >
> >
> > Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
> >
> >
> > -------- Message d'origine --------
> > De : Ginger Paque <virginiap at diplomacy.edu>
> > Date : 27/07/2017 21:21 (GMT+00:00)
> > À : "McLaughlin, Lisa" <mclauglm at miamioh.edu>
> > Cc : NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>,
> > siranush.vardanyan at icann.org
> > Objet : Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for
> > being ICANN60 fellow
> >
> > Sorry if I misunderstand the relationship between the NCUC and the ICANN
> > fellowship programme. A good start would be the ICANN fellowship
> > programme list, or at least a list like this one but including people at
> > the source. I hope it was clear that I totally agree with the points
> > made. FB is not an appropriate venue for an ICANN fellowship compulsory
> > group I only think the discussion should include ICANN fellowship people
> > who can respond and clarify, which started to happen by including
> > Siranush while I was writing, and posts were crossing each other, and
> > perhaps should have started with an email to the ICANN fellowship team
> > (perhaps it did, and I did not catch it).
> >
> > Not a FB fan, LIsa.
> > Ginger
> >
> > Virginia Paque
> > DiploFoundation
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:09 PM, McLaughlin, Lisa <mclauglm at miamioh.edu
> > <mailto:mclauglm at miamioh.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >     Ginger, what would be an appropriate place to discuss ICANN
> >     fellowship rules? Facebook?
> >
> >     ;-)
> >
> >     Regards,
> >
> >     Lisa
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Ginger Paque
> >     <virginiap at diplomacy.edu <mailto:virginiap at diplomacy.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >         I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to discuss ICANN
> >         fellowship rules, although I think this is very important. When
> >         I was an ICANN fellow, a mailing list was all that was required
> >         for online communication. Non-commercial and more private
> >         alternatives must be available, especially with ICANN's
> >         resources, and Siranush's experience. Also ccing Siranush. I'm
> >         glad this is being addressed. Thanks. ginger
> >
> >         Virginia Paque
> >         DiploFoundation
> >
> >
> >
> >         On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Seun Ojedeji
> >         <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >             Hello,
> >
> >             Normally fellows are encouraged to participate in social
> >             media for experience sharing to somewhat promote the program.
> >
> >             That said, I agree that the choice of word used by staff
> >             seem to imply a compulsory requirement but I want to believe
> >             it's a lower "r" kindof requirement and they really don't
> >             mean it as such.
> >
> >             When I was a fellow there used to be a 7am fellows session(I
> >             think it still happen) and I will hear Mama J say things in
> >             the line of "coming promptly is a requirement.... don't try
> >             me guys". While we don't want to see the red part of Mama J,
> >             some of us that goofed occasionally, found that it was
> >             rather important and in our interest to be prompt as there
> >             wasn't a checkbox that we ultimately has unchecked (if any).
> >             So being a requirement became more of a secondary thing, the
> >             value one get(or may loose) in not attending became primary.
> >
> >             Overall there are good advantage and bonding that happens
> >             via social media but ofcourse it should remain optional. I
> >             think it's good to note this to staff and should be a minor
> >             thing to fix.
> >
> >             Regards
> >
> >             Sent from my mobile
> >             Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> >
> >             On Jul 27, 2017 8:23 PM, "thomascovenant"
> >             <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
> >             <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>> wrote:
> >
> >                 Hello,
> >
> >                 I am writing about a general matter that can still be
> >                 quite important to
> >                 some.
> >
> >                 I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory
> >                 for ICANN
> >                 Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn't seem
> >                 possible
> >                 to question this decision.
> >
> >                 Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do
> >                 not comply with
> >                 Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
> >
> >                 I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community,
> >                 privacy
> >                 activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work.
> >                 It can be very
> >                 valuable.
> >
> >                 I don't want any single fellow be forced to compromise
> >                 their principles
> >                 in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work
> >                 (please read the
> >                 links below).
> >
> >                 At the moment this is solved by forcing to register
> >                 under a false name,
> >                 which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large
> >                 organization.
> >
> >                 Alternative means of communication should be easily
> >                 available to those
> >                 who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform
> >                 should not be
> >                 the reason to discourage volunteer work.
> >
> >                 We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries
> >                 impose FB
> >                 cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an
> issue...
> >
> >                 What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how
> >                 a good solution
> >                 can be found?
> >
> >                 Best regards,
> >
> >                 Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
> >                 grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
> >
> >                 Resources:
> >
> >                 FB Censorship:
> >                 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
> >                 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
> >                 Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
> >                 https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
> >                 <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
> >                 http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
> >                 <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
> >
> >                 From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
> >                 Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility
> >                 Support, ICANN:
> >
> >                 "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an
> >                 ICANN60 Facebook
> >                 page which is a required participation for this program.
> >                 Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one,
> >                 as you will be
> >                 asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
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