<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the clarification, Dina. <div><div><br></div><div>Then I certainly support discussion of this issue in a wider space, and appreciate previous offers to continue the discussion, and bring it up in other appropriate venues.<br><div><br></div><div>I think it's a good idea to bring it up with the programme director as well. Good luck!</div></div></div><div><br></div><div>Ginger</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Virginia Paque</div><div dir="ltr">DiploFoundation<br><div><div><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:Helvetica;text-align:-webkit-auto"></p><p style="text-align:-webkit-auto"><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:26 PM, thomascovenant <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dinasolveig@thomascovenant.org" target="_blank">dinasolveig@thomascovenant.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Mamadou,<br>
<br>
agreed. I will share this thread with the Program director, I hope<br>
reconsidering this obligatory Facebook rule is possible.<br>
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> I do not know it is the case here.<br>
<br>
</span>Unfortunately I am not on the list as this is my first ICANN technical<br>
fellowship, which I am very happy to receive - though I hope it will not<br>
be the ICANN Facebook one. :)<br>
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On 28.07.2017 01:05, Mamadou LO wrote:<br>
> Totally agree with Ginger but only those who have completed one<br>
> fellowship program are only included in the fellows mailing list. I do<br>
> not know it is the case here.<br>
> Mamadou<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.<br>
><br>
><br>
> -------- Message d'origine --------<br>
> De : Ginger Paque <<a href="mailto:virginiap@diplomacy.edu">virginiap@diplomacy.edu</a>><br>
> Date : 27/07/2017 21:21 (GMT+00:00)<br>
> À : "McLaughlin, Lisa" <<a href="mailto:mclauglm@miamioh.edu">mclauglm@miamioh.edu</a>><br>
> Cc : NCUC-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>>,<br>
> <a href="mailto:siranush.vardanyan@icann.org">siranush.vardanyan@icann.org</a><br>
> Objet : Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for<br>
> being ICANN60 fellow<br>
><br>
> Sorry if I misunderstand the relationship between the NCUC and the ICANN<br>
> fellowship programme. A good start would be the ICANN fellowship<br>
> programme list, or at least a list like this one but including people at<br>
> the source. I hope it was clear that I totally agree with the points<br>
> made. FB is not an appropriate venue for an ICANN fellowship compulsory<br>
> group I only think the discussion should include ICANN fellowship people<br>
> who can respond and clarify, which started to happen by including<br>
> Siranush while I was writing, and posts were crossing each other, and<br>
> perhaps should have started with an email to the ICANN fellowship team<br>
> (perhaps it did, and I did not catch it).<br>
><br>
> Not a FB fan, LIsa.<br>
> Ginger<br>
><br>
> Virginia Paque<br>
> DiploFoundation<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:09 PM, McLaughlin, Lisa <<a href="mailto:mclauglm@miamioh.edu">mclauglm@miamioh.edu</a><br>
</div></div><span class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mclauglm@miamioh.edu">mclauglm@miamioh.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>     Ginger, what would be an appropriate place to discuss ICANN<br>
>     fellowship rules? Facebook?<br>
><br>
>     ;-)<br>
><br>
>     Regards,<br>
><br>
>     Lisa<br>
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>     Lisa McLaughlin, Ph.D.<br>
>     Associate Professor, Department of Media, Journalism & Film (Media<br>
>     and Culture Program) and Department of Global and Intercultural<br>
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>     Williams Hall<br>
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>     On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Ginger Paque<br>
</span><span class="">>     <<a href="mailto:virginiap@diplomacy.edu">virginiap@diplomacy.edu</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:virginiap@diplomacy.edu">virginiap@diplomacy.<wbr>edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>         I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to discuss ICANN<br>
>         fellowship rules, although I think this is very important. When<br>
>         I was an ICANN fellow, a mailing list was all that was required<br>
>         for online communication. Non-commercial and more private<br>
>         alternatives must be available, especially with ICANN's<br>
>         resources, and Siranush's experience. Also ccing Siranush. I'm<br>
>         glad this is being addressed. Thanks. ginger<br>
><br>
>         Virginia Paque<br>
>         DiploFoundation<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>         On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Seun Ojedeji<br>
</span><div><div class="h5">>         <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a><wbr>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>             Hello,<br>
><br>
>             Normally fellows are encouraged to participate in social<br>
>             media for experience sharing to somewhat promote the program.<br>
><br>
>             That said, I agree that the choice of word used by staff<br>
>             seem to imply a compulsory requirement but I want to believe<br>
>             it's a lower "r" kindof requirement and they really don't<br>
>             mean it as such.<br>
><br>
>             When I was a fellow there used to be a 7am fellows session(I<br>
>             think it still happen) and I will hear Mama J say things in<br>
>             the line of "coming promptly is a requirement.... don't try<br>
>             me guys". While we don't want to see the red part of Mama J,<br>
>             some of us that goofed occasionally, found that it was<br>
>             rather important and in our interest to be prompt as there<br>
>             wasn't a checkbox that we ultimately has unchecked (if any).<br>
>             So being a requirement became more of a secondary thing, the<br>
>             value one get(or may loose) in not attending became primary.<br>
><br>
>             Overall there are good advantage and bonding that happens<br>
>             via social media but ofcourse it should remain optional. I<br>
>             think it's good to note this to staff and should be a minor<br>
>             thing to fix.<br>
><br>
>             Regards<br>
><br>
>             Sent from my mobile<br>
>             Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>
><br>
>             On Jul 27, 2017 8:23 PM, "thomascovenant"<br>
>             <<a href="mailto:thomascovenant@thomascovenant.org">thomascovenant@<wbr>thomascovenant.org</a><br>
</div></div><div><div class="h5">>             <mailto:<a href="mailto:thomascovenant@thomascovenant.org">thomascovenant@<wbr>thomascovenant.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>                 Hello,<br>
><br>
>                 I am writing about a general matter that can still be<br>
>                 quite important to<br>
>                 some.<br>
><br>
>                 I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory<br>
>                 for ICANN<br>
>                 Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn't seem<br>
>                 possible<br>
>                 to question this decision.<br>
><br>
>                 Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do<br>
>                 not comply with<br>
>                 Facebook demand makes no sense to me.<br>
><br>
>                 I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community,<br>
>                 privacy<br>
>                 activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work.<br>
>                 It can be very<br>
>                 valuable.<br>
><br>
>                 I don't want any single fellow be forced to compromise<br>
>                 their principles<br>
>                 in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work<br>
>                 (please read the<br>
>                 links below).<br>
><br>
>                 At the moment this is solved by forcing to register<br>
>                 under a false name,<br>
>                 which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large<br>
>                 organization.<br>
><br>
>                 Alternative means of communication should be easily<br>
>                 available to those<br>
>                 who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform<br>
>                 should not be<br>
>                 the reason to discourage volunteer work.<br>
><br>
>                 We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries<br>
>                 impose FB<br>
>                 cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...<br>
><br>
>                 What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how<br>
>                 a good solution<br>
>                 can be found?<br>
><br>
>                 Best regards,<br>
><br>
>                 Dina Solveig Jalkanen,<br>
>                 grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60<br>
><br>
>                 Resources:<br>
><br>
>                 FB Censorship:<br>
>                 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Censorship_of_Facebook</a><br>
>                 <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/<wbr>wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook</a>><br>
>                 Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:<br>
>                 <a href="https://stallman.org/facebook.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stallman.org/facebook.<wbr>htm</a><br>
</div></div>>                 <<a href="https://stallman.org/facebook.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stallman.org/<wbr>facebook.htm</a>><br>
>                 <a href="http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.salimvirani.com/<wbr>facebook</a><br>
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>                 From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan<br>
>                 Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility<br>
>                 Support, ICANN:<br>
><br>
>                 "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an<br>
>                 ICANN60 Facebook<br>
>                 page which is a required participation for this program.<br>
>                 Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one,<br>
>                 as you will be<br>
>                 asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."<br>
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