[NCUC-DISCUSS] [Ext] Re: Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow

Thu Jul 27 23:07:20 CEST 2017

Just forwarding on the below email which Siranush sent to this list; as her email address is not on the subscriber list, I figure it best to pass this on ASAP rather than wait for the message to be manually screened and approved potentially tomorrow. Siranush has confirmed that a Facebook account is not a prerequisite for being an ICANN fellow, so this was all just a misunderstanding.
Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow
> Local Time: July 27, 2017 9:56 PM
> UTC Time: July 27, 2017 8:56 PM
> From: siranush.vardanyan at icann.org
> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, thomascovenant <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>, Ergys Ramaj <ergys.ramaj at icann.org>
>
> Thanks for copying me this thread, Ayden.
>
> Actually, for everyone in this list, I just responded to Dina with the following:
>
> “Dear Dina,
>
> I think there's a misunderstanding on the use of the word requirement. It was not meant in the legal/enforceable way.
>
> It was meant more as in this being an easier way to facilitate the sharing of information among the group. It's been helpful in the past.
>
> Please note that the decision to use Facebook rests with the individual Fellow. ICANN neither requires nor enforces the use of Facebook.
>
> I hope this helps clarify.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Siranush”
>
> I hope this clarifies the situation for everyone in the list. FB groups were always created and it was the easiest way for interaction, bonding, networking and knowing each other before the Meeting and was very helpful tool especially for Newcomers. And I am sure everybody understands, that it is not “technical” Fellowship, this Program is a capacity building Program, which seeks to create a broader and more diverse base of knowledgeable constituents.
>
> Best
>
> Siranush
>
> Siranush Vardanyan
>
> Fellowship Program Manager
>
> Public Responsibility Support, ICANN
>
> Mobile: +374 94 947773
>
> E-mail: siranush.vardanyan at icann.org
>
> Skype ID: siranush.vardanyan
>
> One World. One Internet.
>
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>
> From: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Reply-To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Date: Friday, July 28, 2017 at 12:50 AM
> To: thomascovenant <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
> Cc: "ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org" <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>, Siranush Vardanyan <siranush.vardanyan at icann.org>
> Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow
>
> Sounds to me like this might all be a misunderstanding.
>
> I am cc’ing in Siranush so that she can clarify the situation for us.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
>
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>> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow
>>
>> Local Time: July 27, 2017 9:39 PM
>>
>> UTC Time: July 27, 2017 8:39 PM
>>
>> From: thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
>>
>> To: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>
>> Hi Naveed,
>>
>> unfortunately your information is no longer accurate.
>>
>> The obligatory Facebook requirement is very clear, as stated by Siranush
>>
>> Vardanyan, Fellowship Program Manager. Please read his public response
>>
>> to the fellowship list attached earlier.
>>
>> I am sorry to hear the situation has apparently changed since the last
>>
>> year. The relaxed considerate approach you described is much better
>>
>> suited for diverse applicants than the present one.
>>
>> That said, I am very grateful to receive my first technical ICANN
>>
>> fellowship and looking forward to meeting the fellowship family.
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Dina Solveig Jalkanen
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> thomascovenant
>>
>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos, FSFE Fellow
>>
>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>
>> On 27.07.2017 23:26, Rao Naveed Bin Rais wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Being a member of the fellowship family for last three years in the
>>
>>> capacity of a fellow, fellows coach, mentor and fellowship program lead,
>>
>>> I can confirm that nobody is ever forced to be part of any specific
>>
>>> communication medium. However, in order to make the encourage the group
>>
>>> communication, being part of the Facebook group is advised. I know many
>>
>>> fellows who never joined the Facebook group and their choice has always
>>
>>> been respected.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> We should also keep in mind that the actual communication of fellowship
>>
>>> happens between the fellows and their respective coaches and they are
>>
>>> free to decide the mode of communication that they feel appropriate.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>
>>> Naveed -
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2017 01:19, "Glenn McKnight" <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>
>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Hi Stephanie
>>
>>> We have a Technology Taskforce Meeting next week and I will alert
>>
>>> this issue to Dev and Judith the cochairs to work on alternatives
>>
>>> other than FACEBOOK. I know lots of folks are looking at
>>
>>> alternatives to SKYPE as well.
>>
>>> I assume that the group also use WHATSAPP as well.
>>
>>> Glenn
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Glenn McKnight
>>
>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>
>>> skype gmcknight
>>
>>> twitter gmcknight
>>
>>> 289-830 6259 <tel:(289)%20830-6259>
>>
>>> .
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>
>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I totally agree, nobody should have to join Facebook. They can
>>
>>> find another way to communicate. I am quite surprised, as I am
>>
>>> also surprised to find that Siranush Vardanyan is now ICANN
>>
>>> staff. So how do we best argue with this policy?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On 2017-07-27 15:48, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>>
>>>> Hi Dina,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention. You
>>
>> raise a very
>>
>>>> interesting issue - and I agree, in principle, that signing
>>
>> up for
>>
>>>> Facebook should not be a required component of participating
>>
>> in an
>>
>>>> ICANN Fellowship program.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Would you feel comfortable forwarding or screenshot-ing the
>>
>> email in
>>
>>>> its entirety, just so we can see the full context as a means of
>>
>>>> informing this discussion?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> In the interim, and while this discussion goes on, it may be
>>
>> useful if
>>
>>>> you wanted to raise your concerns directly with Siranush, if you
>>
>>>> haven"t already. Your objection would seem to me to be a
>>
>> valid one, so
>>
>>>> it might be interesting to see how ICANN might respond.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Best,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Michael Karanicolas
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:23 PM, thomascovenant
>>
>>>> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>>
>>>> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I am writing about a general matter that can still be quite
>>
>> important to
>>
>>>>> some.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory for
>>
>> ICANN
>>
>>>>> Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn"t seem possible
>>
>>>>> to question this decision.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do not
>>
>> comply with
>>
>>>>> Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community, privacy
>>
>>>>> activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work. It
>>
>> can be very
>>
>>>>> valuable.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I don"t want any single fellow be forced to compromise their
>>
>> principles
>>
>>>>> in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work
>>
>> (please read the
>>
>>>>> links below).
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> At the moment this is solved by forcing to register under a
>>
>> false name,
>>
>>>>> which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large
>>
>> organization.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Alternative means of communication should be easily
>>
>> available to those
>>
>>>>> who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform
>>
>> should not be
>>
>>>>> the reason to discourage volunteer work.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries
>>
>> impose FB
>>
>>>>> cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how a
>>
>> good solution
>>
>>>>> can be found?
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
>>
>>>>> grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Resources:
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> FB Censorship:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
>>
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
>>
>>>>> Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
>>
>>>>> https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
>>
>>>>> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
>>
>>>>> http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
>>
>>>>> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
>>
>>>>> Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility Support,
>>
>> ICANN:
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an
>>
>> ICANN60 Facebook
>>
>>>>> page which is a required participation for this program.
>>
>>>>> Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one, as
>>
>> you will be
>>
>>>>> asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
>>
>>>>> --
>>
>>>>> * * *
>>
>>>>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE Fellow
>>
>>>>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>
>>>>> <https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant>
>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>>>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>>>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>>>>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>>>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>
>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> thomascovenant
>>
>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos
>>
>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>
>> On 27.07.2017 23:26, Rao Naveed Bin Rais wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Being a member of the fellowship family for last three years in the
>>
>>> capacity of a fellow, fellows coach, mentor and fellowship program lead,
>>
>>> I can confirm that nobody is ever forced to be part of any specific
>>
>>> communication medium. However, in order to make the encourage the group
>>
>>> communication, being part of the Facebook group is advised. I know many
>>
>>> fellows who never joined the Facebook group and their choice has always
>>
>>> been respected.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> We should also keep in mind that the actual communication of fellowship
>>
>>> happens between the fellows and their respective coaches and they are
>>
>>> free to decide the mode of communication that they feel appropriate.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>
>>> Naveed -
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2017 01:19, "Glenn McKnight" <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>
>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Hi Stephanie
>>
>>> We have a Technology Taskforce Meeting next week and I will alert
>>
>>> this issue to Dev and Judith the cochairs to work on alternatives
>>
>>> other than FACEBOOK. I know lots of folks are looking at
>>
>>> alternatives to SKYPE as well.
>>
>>> I assume that the group also use WHATSAPP as well.
>>
>>> Glenn
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Glenn McKnight
>>
>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>
>>> skype gmcknight
>>
>>> twitter gmcknight
>>
>>> 289-830 6259 <tel:(289)%20830-6259>
>>
>>> .
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>
>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I totally agree, nobody should have to join Facebook. They can
>>
>>> find another way to communicate. I am quite surprised, as I am
>>
>>> also surprised to find that Siranush Vardanyan is now ICANN
>>
>>> staff. So how do we best argue with this policy?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On 2017-07-27 15:48, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>>
>>>> Hi Dina,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention. You
>>
>> raise a very
>>
>>>> interesting issue - and I agree, in principle, that signing
>>
>> up for
>>
>>>> Facebook should not be a required component of participating
>>
>> in an
>>
>>>> ICANN Fellowship program.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Would you feel comfortable forwarding or screenshot-ing the
>>
>> email in
>>
>>>> its entirety, just so we can see the full context as a means of
>>
>>>> informing this discussion?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> In the interim, and while this discussion goes on, it may be
>>
>> useful if
>>
>>>> you wanted to raise your concerns directly with Siranush, if you
>>
>>>> haven"t already. Your objection would seem to me to be a
>>
>> valid one, so
>>
>>>> it might be interesting to see how ICANN might respond.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Best,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Michael Karanicolas
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:23 PM, thomascovenant
>>
>>>> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>>
>>>> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I am writing about a general matter that can still be quite
>>
>> important to
>>
>>>>> some.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory for
>>
>> ICANN
>>
>>>>> Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn"t seem possible
>>
>>>>> to question this decision.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do not
>>
>> comply with
>>
>>>>> Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community, privacy
>>
>>>>> activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work. It
>>
>> can be very
>>
>>>>> valuable.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I don"t want any single fellow be forced to compromise their
>>
>> principles
>>
>>>>> in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work
>>
>> (please read the
>>
>>>>> links below).
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> At the moment this is solved by forcing to register under a
>>
>> false name,
>>
>>>>> which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large
>>
>> organization.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Alternative means of communication should be easily
>>
>> available to those
>>
>>>>> who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform
>>
>> should not be
>>
>>>>> the reason to discourage volunteer work.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries
>>
>> impose FB
>>
>>>>> cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how a
>>
>> good solution
>>
>>>>> can be found?
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
>>
>>>>> grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Resources:
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> FB Censorship:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
>>
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
>>
>>>>> Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
>>
>>>>> https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
>>
>>>>> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
>>
>>>>> http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
>>
>>>>> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
>>
>>>>> Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility Support,
>>
>> ICANN:
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an
>>
>> ICANN60 Facebook
>>
>>>>> page which is a required participation for this program.
>>
>>>>> Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one, as
>>
>> you will be
>>
>>>>> asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
>>
>>>>> --
>>
>>>>> * * *
>>
>>>>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE Fellow
>>
>>>>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>
>>>>> <https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant>
>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>>>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>>>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>>>>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>>>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>
>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> thomascovenant
>>
>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos
>>
>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>
>> On 27.07.2017 23:26, Rao Naveed Bin Rais wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Being a member of the fellowship family for last three years in the
>>
>>> capacity of a fellow, fellows coach, mentor and fellowship program lead,
>>
>>> I can confirm that nobody is ever forced to be part of any specific
>>
>>> communication medium. However, in order to make the encourage the group
>>
>>> communication, being part of the Facebook group is advised. I know many
>>
>>> fellows who never joined the Facebook group and their choice has always
>>
>>> been respected.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> We should also keep in mind that the actual communication of fellowship
>>
>>> happens between the fellows and their respective coaches and they are
>>
>>> free to decide the mode of communication that they feel appropriate.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>
>>> Naveed -
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2017 01:19, "Glenn McKnight" <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>
>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Hi Stephanie
>>
>>> We have a Technology Taskforce Meeting next week and I will alert
>>
>>> this issue to Dev and Judith the cochairs to work on alternatives
>>
>>> other than FACEBOOK. I know lots of folks are looking at
>>
>>> alternatives to SKYPE as well.
>>
>>> I assume that the group also use WHATSAPP as well.
>>
>>> Glenn
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Glenn McKnight
>>
>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>
>>> skype gmcknight
>>
>>> twitter gmcknight
>>
>>> 289-830 6259 <tel:(289)%20830-6259>
>>
>>> .
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>
>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I totally agree, nobody should have to join Facebook. They can
>>
>>> find another way to communicate. I am quite surprised, as I am
>>
>>> also surprised to find that Siranush Vardanyan is now ICANN
>>
>>> staff. So how do we best argue with this policy?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On 2017-07-27 15:48, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>>
>>>> Hi Dina,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention. You raise a very
>>
>>>> interesting issue - and I agree, in principle, that signing up for
>>
>>>> Facebook should not be a required component of participating in an
>>
>>>> ICANN Fellowship program.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Would you feel comfortable forwarding or screenshot-ing the email in
>>
>>>> its entirety, just so we can see the full context as a means of
>>
>>>> informing this discussion?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> In the interim, and while this discussion goes on, it may be useful if
>>
>>>> you wanted to raise your concerns directly with Siranush, if you
>>
>>>> haven"t already. Your objection would seem to me to be a valid one, so
>>
>>>> it might be interesting to see how ICANN might respond.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Best,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Michael Karanicolas
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:23 PM, thomascovenant
>>
>>>> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>>
>>>> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I am writing about a general matter that can still be quite important to
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>>>>> some.
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>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory for ICANN
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>>>>> Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn"t seem possible
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>>>>> to question this decision.
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>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do not comply with
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>>>>> Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community, privacy
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>>>>> activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work. It can be very
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>>>>> valuable.
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>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I don"t want any single fellow be forced to compromise their principles
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>>>>> in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work (please read the
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>>>>> links below).
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>>>>>
>>
>>>>> At the moment this is solved by forcing to register under a false name,
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>>>>> which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large organization.
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>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Alternative means of communication should be easily available to those
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>>>>> who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform should not be
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>>>>> the reason to discourage volunteer work.
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>>>>>
>>
>>>>> We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries impose FB
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>>>>> cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...
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>>>>>
>>
>>>>> What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how a good solution
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>>>>> can be found?
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
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>>>>> grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Resources:
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>>>>>
>>
>>>>> FB Censorship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
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>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
>>
>>>>> Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
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>>>>> https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
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>>>>> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
>>
>>>>> http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
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>>>>> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
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>>>>> Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility Support, ICANN:
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>>>>>
>>
>>>>> "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an ICANN60 Facebook
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>>>>> page which is a required participation for this program.
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>>>>> Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one, as you will be
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>>>>> asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
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>>>>> --
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>>>>> * * *
>>
>>>>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE Fellow
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>>>>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
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