[NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow

Thu Jul 27 22:49:51 CEST 2017

Sounds to me like this might all be a misunderstanding.
I am cc’ing in Siranush so that she can clarify the situation for us.
Best wishes,

Ayden Férdeline
[linkedin.com/in/ferdeline](http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)

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> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow
> Local Time: July 27, 2017 9:39 PM
> UTC Time: July 27, 2017 8:39 PM
> From: thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
> To: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
> Hi Naveed,
> unfortunately your information is no longer accurate.
> The obligatory Facebook requirement is very clear, as stated by Siranush
> Vardanyan, Fellowship Program Manager. Please read his public response
> to the fellowship list attached earlier.
> I am sorry to hear the situation has apparently changed since the last
> year. The relaxed considerate approach you described is much better
> suited for diverse applicants than the present one.
> That said, I am very grateful to receive my first technical ICANN
> fellowship and looking forward to meeting the fellowship family.
> BR,
> Dina Solveig Jalkanen
> * * *
> thomascovenant
> Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos, FSFE Fellow
> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
> On 27.07.2017 23:26, Rao Naveed Bin Rais wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Being a member of the fellowship family for last three years in the
>> capacity of a fellow, fellows coach, mentor and fellowship program lead,
>> I can confirm that nobody is ever forced to be part of any specific
>> communication medium. However, in order to make the encourage the group
>> communication, being part of the Facebook group is advised. I know many
>> fellows who never joined the Facebook group and their choice has always
>> been respected.
>>
>> We should also keep in mind that the actual communication of fellowship
>> happens between the fellows and their respective coaches and they are
>> free to decide the mode of communication that they feel appropriate.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Naveed -
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2017 01:19, "Glenn McKnight" <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stephanie
>> We have a Technology Taskforce Meeting next week and I will alert
>> this issue to Dev and Judith the cochairs to work on alternatives
>> other than FACEBOOK. I know lots of folks are looking at
>> alternatives to SKYPE as well.
>> I assume that the group also use WHATSAPP as well.
>> Glenn
>>
>> Glenn McKnight
>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>> skype gmcknight
>> twitter gmcknight
>> 289-830 6259 <tel:(289)%20830-6259>
>> .
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> I totally agree, nobody should have to join Facebook. They can
>> find another way to communicate. I am quite surprised, as I am
>> also surprised to find that Siranush Vardanyan is now ICANN
>> staff. So how do we best argue with this policy?
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>
>> On 2017-07-27 15:48, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>>> Hi Dina,
>>>
>>> Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention. You
> raise a very
>>> interesting issue - and I agree, in principle, that signing
> up for
>>> Facebook should not be a required component of participating
> in an
>>> ICANN Fellowship program.
>>>
>>> Would you feel comfortable forwarding or screenshot-ing the
> email in
>>> its entirety, just so we can see the full context as a means of
>>> informing this discussion?
>>>
>>> In the interim, and while this discussion goes on, it may be
> useful if
>>> you wanted to raise your concerns directly with Siranush, if you
>>> haven"t already. Your objection would seem to me to be a
> valid one, so
>>> it might be interesting to see how ICANN might respond.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Michael Karanicolas
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:23 PM, thomascovenant
>>> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>>> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am writing about a general matter that can still be quite
> important to
>>>> some.
>>>>
>>>> I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory for
> ICANN
>>>> Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn"t seem possible
>>>> to question this decision.
>>>>
>>>> Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do not
> comply with
>>>> Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community, privacy
>>>> activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work. It
> can be very
>>>> valuable.
>>>>
>>>> I don"t want any single fellow be forced to compromise their
> principles
>>>> in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work
> (please read the
>>>> links below).
>>>>
>>>> At the moment this is solved by forcing to register under a
> false name,
>>>> which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large
> organization.
>>>>
>>>> Alternative means of communication should be easily
> available to those
>>>> who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform
> should not be
>>>> the reason to discourage volunteer work.
>>>>
>>>> We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries
> impose FB
>>>> cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how a
> good solution
>>>> can be found?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
>>>> grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
>>>>
>>>> Resources:
>>>>
>>>> FB Censorship:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
>>>> Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
>>>> https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
>>>> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
>>>> http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
>>>> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
>>>>
>>>> From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
>>>> Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility Support,
> ICANN:
>>>>
>>>> "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an
> ICANN60 Facebook
>>>> page which is a required participation for this program.
>>>> Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one, as
> you will be
>>>> asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
>>>> --
>>>> * * *
>>>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE Fellow
>>>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>>> <https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
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> --
> * * *
> thomascovenant
> Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos
> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
> On 27.07.2017 23:26, Rao Naveed Bin Rais wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Being a member of the fellowship family for last three years in the
>> capacity of a fellow, fellows coach, mentor and fellowship program lead,
>> I can confirm that nobody is ever forced to be part of any specific
>> communication medium. However, in order to make the encourage the group
>> communication, being part of the Facebook group is advised. I know many
>> fellows who never joined the Facebook group and their choice has always
>> been respected.
>>
>> We should also keep in mind that the actual communication of fellowship
>> happens between the fellows and their respective coaches and they are
>> free to decide the mode of communication that they feel appropriate.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Naveed -
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2017 01:19, "Glenn McKnight" <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stephanie
>> We have a Technology Taskforce Meeting next week and I will alert
>> this issue to Dev and Judith the cochairs to work on alternatives
>> other than FACEBOOK. I know lots of folks are looking at
>> alternatives to SKYPE as well.
>> I assume that the group also use WHATSAPP as well.
>> Glenn
>>
>> Glenn McKnight
>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>> skype gmcknight
>> twitter gmcknight
>> 289-830 6259 <tel:(289)%20830-6259>
>> .
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> I totally agree, nobody should have to join Facebook. They can
>> find another way to communicate. I am quite surprised, as I am
>> also surprised to find that Siranush Vardanyan is now ICANN
>> staff. So how do we best argue with this policy?
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>
>> On 2017-07-27 15:48, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>>> Hi Dina,
>>>
>>> Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention. You
> raise a very
>>> interesting issue - and I agree, in principle, that signing
> up for
>>> Facebook should not be a required component of participating
> in an
>>> ICANN Fellowship program.
>>>
>>> Would you feel comfortable forwarding or screenshot-ing the
> email in
>>> its entirety, just so we can see the full context as a means of
>>> informing this discussion?
>>>
>>> In the interim, and while this discussion goes on, it may be
> useful if
>>> you wanted to raise your concerns directly with Siranush, if you
>>> haven"t already. Your objection would seem to me to be a
> valid one, so
>>> it might be interesting to see how ICANN might respond.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Michael Karanicolas
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:23 PM, thomascovenant
>>> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>>> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am writing about a general matter that can still be quite
> important to
>>>> some.
>>>>
>>>> I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory for
> ICANN
>>>> Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn"t seem possible
>>>> to question this decision.
>>>>
>>>> Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do not
> comply with
>>>> Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community, privacy
>>>> activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work. It
> can be very
>>>> valuable.
>>>>
>>>> I don"t want any single fellow be forced to compromise their
> principles
>>>> in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work
> (please read the
>>>> links below).
>>>>
>>>> At the moment this is solved by forcing to register under a
> false name,
>>>> which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large
> organization.
>>>>
>>>> Alternative means of communication should be easily
> available to those
>>>> who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform
> should not be
>>>> the reason to discourage volunteer work.
>>>>
>>>> We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries
> impose FB
>>>> cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how a
> good solution
>>>> can be found?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
>>>> grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
>>>>
>>>> Resources:
>>>>
>>>> FB Censorship:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
>>>> Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
>>>> https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
>>>> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
>>>> http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
>>>> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
>>>>
>>>> From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
>>>> Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility Support,
> ICANN:
>>>>
>>>> "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an
> ICANN60 Facebook
>>>> page which is a required participation for this program.
>>>> Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one, as
> you will be
>>>> asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
>>>> --
>>>> * * *
>>>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE Fellow
>>>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>>> <https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>>
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> --
> * * *
> thomascovenant
> Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos
> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
> On 27.07.2017 23:26, Rao Naveed Bin Rais wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Being a member of the fellowship family for last three years in the
>> capacity of a fellow, fellows coach, mentor and fellowship program lead,
>> I can confirm that nobody is ever forced to be part of any specific
>> communication medium. However, in order to make the encourage the group
>> communication, being part of the Facebook group is advised. I know many
>> fellows who never joined the Facebook group and their choice has always
>> been respected.
>>
>> We should also keep in mind that the actual communication of fellowship
>> happens between the fellows and their respective coaches and they are
>> free to decide the mode of communication that they feel appropriate.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Naveed -
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2017 01:19, "Glenn McKnight" <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stephanie
>> We have a Technology Taskforce Meeting next week and I will alert
>> this issue to Dev and Judith the cochairs to work on alternatives
>> other than FACEBOOK. I know lots of folks are looking at
>> alternatives to SKYPE as well.
>> I assume that the group also use WHATSAPP as well.
>> Glenn
>>
>> Glenn McKnight
>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>> skype gmcknight
>> twitter gmcknight
>> 289-830 6259 <tel:(289)%20830-6259>
>> .
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> I totally agree, nobody should have to join Facebook. They can
>> find another way to communicate. I am quite surprised, as I am
>> also surprised to find that Siranush Vardanyan is now ICANN
>> staff. So how do we best argue with this policy?
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>
>> On 2017-07-27 15:48, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>>> Hi Dina,
>>>
>>> Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention. You raise a very
>>> interesting issue - and I agree, in principle, that signing up for
>>> Facebook should not be a required component of participating in an
>>> ICANN Fellowship program.
>>>
>>> Would you feel comfortable forwarding or screenshot-ing the email in
>>> its entirety, just so we can see the full context as a means of
>>> informing this discussion?
>>>
>>> In the interim, and while this discussion goes on, it may be useful if
>>> you wanted to raise your concerns directly with Siranush, if you
>>> haven"t already. Your objection would seem to me to be a valid one, so
>>> it might be interesting to see how ICANN might respond.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Michael Karanicolas
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:23 PM, thomascovenant
>>> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>>> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am writing about a general matter that can still be quite important to
>>>> some.
>>>>
>>>> I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory for ICANN
>>>> Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn"t seem possible
>>>> to question this decision.
>>>>
>>>> Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do not comply with
>>>> Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community, privacy
>>>> activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work. It can be very
>>>> valuable.
>>>>
>>>> I don"t want any single fellow be forced to compromise their principles
>>>> in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work (please read the
>>>> links below).
>>>>
>>>> At the moment this is solved by forcing to register under a false name,
>>>> which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large organization.
>>>>
>>>> Alternative means of communication should be easily available to those
>>>> who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform should not be
>>>> the reason to discourage volunteer work.
>>>>
>>>> We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries impose FB
>>>> cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how a good solution
>>>> can be found?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
>>>> grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
>>>>
>>>> Resources:
>>>>
>>>> FB Censorship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
>>>> Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
>>>> https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
>>>> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
>>>> http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
>>>> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
>>>>
>>>> From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
>>>> Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility Support, ICANN:
>>>>
>>>> "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an ICANN60 Facebook
>>>> page which is a required participation for this program.
>>>> Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one, as you will be
>>>> asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
>>>> --
>>>> * * *
>>>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE Fellow
>>>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>>> <https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
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>>
>>
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