[NCUC-DISCUSS] [Ext] Re: Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow
thomascovenant
thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
Fri Jul 28 03:37:05 CEST 2017
No, this wasn't a misunderstanding on my part, as your earlier reply to
this exact question contains information to the contrary.
I thank you for revising Fellowship program position so quickly, it is
greatly appreciated. Please kindly communicate this information to
all the new fellows so that it is clear to everyone:
>Please note that the decision to use Facebook rests with the individual
Fellow. ICANN neither requires nor enforces the use of Facebook.
Have a good weekend and I am looking forward to discussing many
interesting subjects in person at the next ICANN meeting! :)
BR,
Dina Solveig Jalkanen
--
* * *
Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE
https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory
>> requirement for being ICANN60 fellow
>> Local Time: July 27, 2017 9:56 PM
>> UTC Time: July 27, 2017 8:56 PM
>> From: siranush.vardanyan at icann.org
>> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, thomascovenant
>> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>, Ergys
>> Ramaj <ergys.ramaj at icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for copying me this thread, Ayden.
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, for everyone in this list, I just responded to Dina with
>> the following:
>>
>>
>>
>> “Dear Dina,
>>
>>
>>
>> I think there's a misunderstanding on the use of the word
>> requirement. It was not meant in the legal/enforceable way.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was meant more as in this being an easier way to facilitate the
>> sharing of information among the group. It's been helpful in the past.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please note that the decision to use Facebook rests with the
>> individual Fellow. ICANN neither requires nor enforces the use of
>> Facebook.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this helps clarify.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Siranush”
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this clarifies the situation for everyone in the list. FB
>> groups were always created and it was the easiest way for
>> interaction, bonding, networking and knowing each other before the
>> Meeting and was very helpful tool especially for Newcomers. And I am
>> sure everybody understands, that it is not “technical” Fellowship,
>> this Program is a capacity building Program, which seeks to create a
>> broader and more diverse base of knowledgeable constituents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>> Siranush
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Siranush Vardanyan
>>
>> *Fellowship Program Manager*
>>
>> Public Responsibility Support, ICANN
>>
>> Mobile: +374 94 947773
>>
>> E-mail: siranush.vardanyan at icann.org
>> <mailto:siranush.vardanyan at icann.org>
>>
>> Skype ID: siranush.vardanyan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> */One World. One Internet./*
>>
>> id:image001.png at 01D2FF3F.9FFF31D0
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> *Date: *Friday, July 28, 2017 at 12:50 AM
>> *To: *thomascovenant <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>> *Cc: *"ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org" <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>,
>> Siranush Vardanyan <siranush.vardanyan at icann.org>
>> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory
>> requirement for being ICANN60 fellow
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds to me like this might all be a misunderstanding.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am cc’ing in Siranush so that she can clarify the situation for us.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>>
>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline[linkedin.com]
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.linkedin.com_in_ferdeline&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=KSVEP6fQF1GAxTidFq9gqmzD_MP8uibPCWGNJZLNf_fCsiFdV6wjdaUW3k8yJdcd&m=ykxnIt6H4imBIPhcpi8YQuZk7x0MlTRT3aUZtRrxN64&s=FUhdKN3YwPiNjDS5JC3MjOGc_bC0baoxCMEAKxQkSO0&e=>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement
>> for being ICANN60 fellow
>>
>> Local Time: July 27, 2017 9:39 PM
>>
>> UTC Time: July 27, 2017 8:39 PM
>>
>> From: thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
>>
>> To: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Naveed,
>>
>>
>>
>> unfortunately your information is no longer accurate.
>>
>>
>>
>> The obligatory Facebook requirement is very clear, as stated by
>> Siranush
>>
>> Vardanyan, Fellowship Program Manager. Please read his public
>> response
>>
>> to the fellowship list attached earlier.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sorry to hear the situation has apparently changed since the
>> last
>>
>> year. The relaxed considerate approach you described is much better
>>
>> suited for diverse applicants than the present one.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, I am very grateful to receive my first technical ICANN
>>
>> fellowship and looking forward to meeting the fellowship family.
>>
>>
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Dina Solveig Jalkanen
>>
>>
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> thomascovenant
>>
>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos, FSFE Fellow
>>
>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27.07.2017 23:26, Rao Naveed Bin Rais wrote:
>>
>> > Hi everyone,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Being a member of the fellowship family for last three years in the
>>
>> > capacity of a fellow, fellows coach, mentor and fellowship
>> program lead,
>>
>> > I can confirm that nobody is ever forced to be part of any specific
>>
>> > communication medium. However, in order to make the encourage
>> the group
>>
>> > communication, being part of the Facebook group is advised. I
>> know many
>>
>> > fellows who never joined the Facebook group and their choice
>> has always
>>
>> > been respected.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > We should also keep in mind that the actual communication of
>> fellowship
>>
>> > happens between the fellows and their respective coaches and
>> they are
>>
>> > free to decide the mode of communication that they feel
>> appropriate.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Cheers,
>>
>> > Naveed -
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Jul 28, 2017 01:19, "Glenn McKnight" <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>
>> > <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Hi Stephanie
>>
>> > We have a Technology Taskforce Meeting next week and I will alert
>>
>> > this issue to Dev and Judith the cochairs to work on alternatives
>>
>> > other than FACEBOOK. I know lots of folks are looking at
>>
>> > alternatives to SKYPE as well.
>>
>> > I assume that the group also use WHATSAPP as well.
>>
>> > Glenn
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Glenn McKnight
>>
>> > mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>
>> > skype gmcknight
>>
>> > twitter gmcknight
>>
>> > 289-830 6259 <tel:(289)%20830-6259>
>>
>> > .
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>
>> > <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>
>> > <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I totally agree, nobody should have to join Facebook. They can
>>
>> > find another way to communicate. I am quite surprised, as I am
>>
>> > also surprised to find that Siranush Vardanyan is now ICANN
>>
>> > staff. So how do we best argue with this policy?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Stephanie Perrin
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On 2017-07-27 15:48, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>>
>> >> Hi Dina,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention. You
>>
>> raise a very
>>
>> >> interesting issue - and I agree, in principle, that signing
>>
>> up for
>>
>> >> Facebook should not be a required component of participating
>>
>> in an
>>
>> >> ICANN Fellowship program.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Would you feel comfortable forwarding or screenshot-ing the
>>
>> email in
>>
>> >> its entirety, just so we can see the full context as a means of
>>
>> >> informing this discussion?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> In the interim, and while this discussion goes on, it may be
>>
>> useful if
>>
>> >> you wanted to raise your concerns directly with Siranush, if you
>>
>> >> haven"t already. Your objection would seem to me to be a
>>
>> valid one, so
>>
>> >> it might be interesting to see how ICANN might respond.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Best,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Michael Karanicolas
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:23 PM, thomascovenant
>>
>> >> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>>
>> >> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Hello,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I am writing about a general matter that can still be quite
>>
>> important to
>>
>> >>> some.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory for
>>
>> ICANN
>>
>> >>> Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn"t seem possible
>>
>> >>> to question this decision.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do not
>>
>> comply with
>>
>> >>> Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community, privacy
>>
>> >>> activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work. It
>>
>> can be very
>>
>> >>> valuable.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I don"t want any single fellow be forced to compromise their
>>
>> principles
>>
>> >>> in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work
>>
>> (please read the
>>
>> >>> links below).
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> At the moment this is solved by forcing to register under a
>>
>> false name,
>>
>> >>> which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large
>>
>> organization.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Alternative means of communication should be easily
>>
>> available to those
>>
>> >>> who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform
>>
>> should not be
>>
>> >>> the reason to discourage volunteer work.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries
>>
>> impose FB
>>
>> >>> cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how a
>>
>> good solution
>>
>> >>> can be found?
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
>>
>> >>> grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Resources:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> FB Censorship:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
>>
>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
>>
>> >>> Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
>>
>> >>> https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
>>
>> >>> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
>>
>> >>> http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
>>
>> >>> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
>>
>> >>> Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility Support,
>>
>> ICANN:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an
>>
>> ICANN60 Facebook
>>
>> >>> page which is a required participation for this program.
>>
>> >>> Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one, as
>>
>> you will be
>>
>> >>> asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
>>
>> >>> --
>>
>> >>> * * *
>>
>> >>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE Fellow
>>
>> >>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>
>> >>> <https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant>
>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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>>
>> >>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
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>> >
>>
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>>
>> > <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
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>> >
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> >
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>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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>> > http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
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>> >
>>
>> --
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> thomascovenant
>>
>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos
>>
>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27.07.2017 23:26, Rao Naveed Bin Rais wrote:
>>
>> > Hi everyone,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Being a member of the fellowship family for last three years in the
>>
>> > capacity of a fellow, fellows coach, mentor and fellowship
>> program lead,
>>
>> > I can confirm that nobody is ever forced to be part of any specific
>>
>> > communication medium. However, in order to make the encourage
>> the group
>>
>> > communication, being part of the Facebook group is advised. I
>> know many
>>
>> > fellows who never joined the Facebook group and their choice
>> has always
>>
>> > been respected.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > We should also keep in mind that the actual communication of
>> fellowship
>>
>> > happens between the fellows and their respective coaches and
>> they are
>>
>> > free to decide the mode of communication that they feel
>> appropriate.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Cheers,
>>
>> > Naveed -
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Jul 28, 2017 01:19, "Glenn McKnight" <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>
>> > <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Hi Stephanie
>>
>> > We have a Technology Taskforce Meeting next week and I will alert
>>
>> > this issue to Dev and Judith the cochairs to work on alternatives
>>
>> > other than FACEBOOK. I know lots of folks are looking at
>>
>> > alternatives to SKYPE as well.
>>
>> > I assume that the group also use WHATSAPP as well.
>>
>> > Glenn
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Glenn McKnight
>>
>> > mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>
>> > skype gmcknight
>>
>> > twitter gmcknight
>>
>> > 289-830 6259 <tel:(289)%20830-6259>
>>
>> > .
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>
>> > <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>
>> > <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I totally agree, nobody should have to join Facebook. They can
>>
>> > find another way to communicate. I am quite surprised, as I am
>>
>> > also surprised to find that Siranush Vardanyan is now ICANN
>>
>> > staff. So how do we best argue with this policy?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Stephanie Perrin
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On 2017-07-27 15:48, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>>
>> >> Hi Dina,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention. You
>>
>> raise a very
>>
>> >> interesting issue - and I agree, in principle, that signing
>>
>> up for
>>
>> >> Facebook should not be a required component of participating
>>
>> in an
>>
>> >> ICANN Fellowship program.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Would you feel comfortable forwarding or screenshot-ing the
>>
>> email in
>>
>> >> its entirety, just so we can see the full context as a means of
>>
>> >> informing this discussion?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> In the interim, and while this discussion goes on, it may be
>>
>> useful if
>>
>> >> you wanted to raise your concerns directly with Siranush, if you
>>
>> >> haven"t already. Your objection would seem to me to be a
>>
>> valid one, so
>>
>> >> it might be interesting to see how ICANN might respond.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Best,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Michael Karanicolas
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:23 PM, thomascovenant
>>
>> >> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>>
>> >> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Hello,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I am writing about a general matter that can still be quite
>>
>> important to
>>
>> >>> some.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory for
>>
>> ICANN
>>
>> >>> Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn"t seem possible
>>
>> >>> to question this decision.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do not
>>
>> comply with
>>
>> >>> Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community, privacy
>>
>> >>> activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work. It
>>
>> can be very
>>
>> >>> valuable.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I don"t want any single fellow be forced to compromise their
>>
>> principles
>>
>> >>> in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work
>>
>> (please read the
>>
>> >>> links below).
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> At the moment this is solved by forcing to register under a
>>
>> false name,
>>
>> >>> which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large
>>
>> organization.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Alternative means of communication should be easily
>>
>> available to those
>>
>> >>> who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform
>>
>> should not be
>>
>> >>> the reason to discourage volunteer work.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries
>>
>> impose FB
>>
>> >>> cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how a
>>
>> good solution
>>
>> >>> can be found?
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
>>
>> >>> grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Resources:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> FB Censorship:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
>>
>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
>>
>> >>> Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
>>
>> >>> https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
>>
>> >>> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
>>
>> >>> http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
>>
>> >>> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
>>
>> >>> Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility Support,
>>
>> ICANN:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an
>>
>> ICANN60 Facebook
>>
>> >>> page which is a required participation for this program.
>>
>> >>> Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one, as
>>
>> you will be
>>
>> >>> asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
>>
>> >>> --
>>
>> >>> * * *
>>
>> >>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE Fellow
>>
>> >>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>
>> >>> <https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant>
>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> >>> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>> >>> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>> >>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>> >>> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>>
>> >> Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>> >> Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>> >> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>> >> <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>>
>> > Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
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>>
>> > http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>> > <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>>
>> > Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>> > Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>> > http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>> > <http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>>
>> > Ncuc-discuss mailing list
>>
>> > Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>
>> > http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> thomascovenant
>>
>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos
>>
>> https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27.07.2017 23:26, Rao Naveed Bin Rais wrote:
>>
>> > Hi everyone,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Being a member of the fellowship family for last three years in the
>>
>> > capacity of a fellow, fellows coach, mentor and fellowship
>> program lead,
>>
>> > I can confirm that nobody is ever forced to be part of any specific
>>
>> > communication medium. However, in order to make the encourage
>> the group
>>
>> > communication, being part of the Facebook group is advised. I
>> know many
>>
>> > fellows who never joined the Facebook group and their choice
>> has always
>>
>> > been respected.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > We should also keep in mind that the actual communication of
>> fellowship
>>
>> > happens between the fellows and their respective coaches and
>> they are
>>
>> > free to decide the mode of communication that they feel
>> appropriate.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Cheers,
>>
>> > Naveed -
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Jul 28, 2017 01:19, "Glenn McKnight" <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>
>> > <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Hi Stephanie
>>
>> > We have a Technology Taskforce Meeting next week and I will alert
>>
>> > this issue to Dev and Judith the cochairs to work on alternatives
>>
>> > other than FACEBOOK. I know lots of folks are looking at
>>
>> > alternatives to SKYPE as well.
>>
>> > I assume that the group also use WHATSAPP as well.
>>
>> > Glenn
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Glenn McKnight
>>
>> > mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>
>> > skype gmcknight
>>
>> > twitter gmcknight
>>
>> > 289-830 6259 <tel:(289)%20830-6259>
>>
>> > .
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>
>> > <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>
>> > <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I totally agree, nobody should have to join Facebook. They can
>>
>> > find another way to communicate. I am quite surprised, as I am
>>
>> > also surprised to find that Siranush Vardanyan is now ICANN
>>
>> > staff. So how do we best argue with this policy?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Stephanie Perrin
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On 2017-07-27 15:48, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>>
>> >> Hi Dina,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention. You raise
>> a very
>>
>> >> interesting issue - and I agree, in principle, that signing up for
>>
>> >> Facebook should not be a required component of participating in an
>>
>> >> ICANN Fellowship program.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Would you feel comfortable forwarding or screenshot-ing the
>> email in
>>
>> >> its entirety, just so we can see the full context as a means of
>>
>> >> informing this discussion?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> In the interim, and while this discussion goes on, it may be
>> useful if
>>
>> >> you wanted to raise your concerns directly with Siranush, if you
>>
>> >> haven"t already. Your objection would seem to me to be a valid
>> one, so
>>
>> >> it might be interesting to see how ICANN might respond.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Best,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Michael Karanicolas
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:23 PM, thomascovenant
>>
>> >> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>>
>> >> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Hello,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I am writing about a general matter that can still be quite
>> important to
>>
>> >>> some.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory for ICANN
>>
>> >>> Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn"t seem possible
>>
>> >>> to question this decision.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do not
>> comply with
>>
>> >>> Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community, privacy
>>
>> >>> activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work. It
>> can be very
>>
>> >>> valuable.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I don"t want any single fellow be forced to compromise their
>> principles
>>
>> >>> in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work (please
>> read the
>>
>> >>> links below).
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> At the moment this is solved by forcing to register under a
>> false name,
>>
>> >>> which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large
>> organization.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Alternative means of communication should be easily available
>> to those
>>
>> >>> who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform
>> should not be
>>
>> >>> the reason to discourage volunteer work.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries
>> impose FB
>>
>> >>> cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how a
>> good solution
>>
>> >>> can be found?
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
>>
>> >>> grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Resources:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> FB Censorship:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
>>
>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
>>
>> >>> Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
>>
>> >>> https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
>>
>> >>> <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
>>
>> >>> http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
>>
>> >>> <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
>>
>> >>> Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility Support, ICANN:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an
>> ICANN60 Facebook
>>
>> >>> page which is a required participation for this program.
>>
>> >>> Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one, as
>> you will be
>>
>> >>> asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
>>
>> >>> --
>>
>> >>> * * *
>>
>> >>> Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE Fellow
>>
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>>
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