[NCUC-DISCUSS] A problem in registration form for ICANN60 Abu Dhabi

[Ayden Férdeline]

I'm happy to raise my hand and to say I think ICANN should be collecting this data. ICANN should actively monitor diversity, not react passively to reports of harassment or discrimination (provided they react), and this data helps identify such gaps and define areas for improvement. Of course, the safety and security of the information that is gathered is essential, and crucial to building the trust and confidence of those being monitored. Just because we are collecting one's gender (and might I add, I think we should be collecting more than just that -- I would like to see sexual orientation collected too) does not mean it must be disclosed to the local host. This information should be disclosed on a 'need to know' basis only, and I'd think there would be pretty few instances where anyone would need to know these characteristics along with, say, the respondent's name.
Best wishes,

Ayden Férdeline
[linkedin.com/in/ferdeline](http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)

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> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] A problem in registration form for ICANN60 Abu Dhabi
> Local Time: July 17, 2017 10:18 AM
> UTC Time: July 17, 2017 8:18 AM
> From: james at cyberinvasion.net
> To: Jesse Järvi <jesse.jarvi at gmail.com>, Cedric Laurant <cedric at laurant.org>
> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
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> I think a lot of people would agree with that, but there are a number of people who have been pushing for ICANN to collect an insane amount of personal infomratino on the grounds of diversity statistics so we might find pushback on that.
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> From: Ncuc-discuss [mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Järvi
> Sent: 17 July 2017 07:30
> To: Cedric Laurant <cedric at laurant.org>
> Cc: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] A problem in registration form for ICANN60 Abu Dhabi
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> I personally suggest removing the gender field completely. It’s irrelevant information.
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> Jesse
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> Jesse Mikael Järvi
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> On Jul 17, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Cedric Laurant <cedric at laurant.org> wrote:
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>> It is indeed irrelevant for the purpose of a public event registration.
>> What might be relevant is how people want to be addressed in
>> correspondence or in panels. It would therefore be sufficient to add a
>> field with "Mr"/"Mrs"/"Dr", etc.
>> Cédric
>> On 7/17/17 12:18 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
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>>> We might want to lobby to change the "Other" selection to
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>>> "don't want to say" or "irrelevant" something to that effect
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>>> and then all select that.
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>>> Even better would be to get rid of the question altogether
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>>> on grounds that it is irrelevant.
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>>> Tapani
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>>> On Jul 16 21:12, Renata Aquino Ribeiro (raquino at gmail.com) wrote:
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>>>> Hello
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>>>> I have just read the raw transcript of the last WS2-Diversity meeting
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>>>> Meeting page
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>>>> https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=66089058
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>>>> Raw transcript
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>>>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66089058/DIVERSITY%20SUBGROUP%20MEETING%20_07132017-FINAL-en.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1500220959000&api=v2
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>>>> The raw transcript means it is the 1st form of the transcript, no corrections
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>>>> But what I read made me caught my attention enough to share this on the lists
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>>>> Especially giving the discussion about reviewing where meetings happen
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>>>> Apparently there was a "concern" with registration to ICANN60 because
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>>>> "a form" presented the follow question and options of response
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>>>> Gender: Male/Female/Other
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>>>> The "other" option raised the "concern" and ombudsman brought up that
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>>>> this was the theme of a conversation w/ local organization
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>>>>
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>>>> So what would happen if ICANN had, let's say, a number of
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>>>> registrations of "Other" ?
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>>>> Would this be theme for other conversations between ombudsman and
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>>>> local organizers?
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>>>> Are there any data collected by registration form that would cause
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>>>> "concern" to local organizers?
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>>>> And sorry about the extensive use of quote marks. The words are a bit
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>>>> surprising and I tried to soften the blow.
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>>>>
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>>>> Renata
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>> --
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