[NCUC-DISCUSS] email in response to ICANN blogpost
Michael Oghia
mike.oghia at gmail.com
Thu Jul 13 12:44:16 CEST 2017
Thanks for clarifying Niels, sorry about that.
-M
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Niels ten Oever <
lists at digitaldissidents.org> wrote:
> Disagree that this is a good source. It repeats as lot of the BS and
> gossip around 'the darkweb' without substantiating it. Most famously the
> 'hitman - claim'.
>
> The one source they use to say that almost everything is illegal on the
> darkweb
> (https://www.ourinternet.org/sites/default/files/publications/no20_0.pdf)
>
> says:
>
> Classification of web pages is a difficult task, and while
> there exist automatic classifiers based on machine learning,
> the dataset in this case was small enough that manual
> classification was not unduly onerous. Additionally, the
> authors felt that given the range and complex, technical
> nature of some of the content, automatic classifiers would
> be insufficient due to difficulty in interpreting context and
> meaning (Samarawickrama and Jayaratne 2011)
>
> and it concludes:
>
> This paper does suggest that child abuse content is the
> most popular type of content on the Tor Dark Net. While
> law enforcement may crawl such sites, the number of
> requests that would be seen would be only a tiny fraction,
> and hence not skew the outline ratios. Similarly, denial of
> service attacks were not observed and so are also unlikely
> to account for the high requests. The usage of Tor2Web
> may underrepresent some categories, but it is not currently
> clear whether, or why, such groups would exclusively use
> this tool.
> An explicit categorization of sites into illegal and legal
> was not undertaken, but it was abundantly clear to the
> authors that the majority of sites were of questionable
> legality. While anonymity and privacy tools such as Tor
> might fight online surveillance, they also give an easy and
> accessible route for those with criminal motivations. There
> are alternatives, such as botnets, available for criminal
> activity, but these do not negate the comparative ease with
> which Tor can be used.
> It is technically possible to block Tor, although it is likely
> that the Tor Project will deploy countermeasures resulting
> in the endeavour descending into a cat-and-mouse game
> of “circumvent-and-censor.” In any case, Tor does not
> provide the absolute impunity that is often attributed to it.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Niels
>
>
>
>
>
> On 07/13/2017 12:16 PM, Michael Oghia wrote:
> > In case anyone is interested, this is the best resource I've seen on the
> > dark / deep web in a while that also happens to be an infographic:
> >
> > http://www.visualcapitalist.com/dark-web/
> >
> > Best,
> > -Michael
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Niels ten Oever
> > <lists at digitaldissidents.org <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've been working with Dave to update blogpost, and the blog now is
> > addressing our concerns.
> >
> > https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-
> hidden-services
> > <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-
> hidden-services>
> >
> > Thanks everyone for making this happen so quickly, now we ensured
> > that Hidden Services are not getting a worse name than they deserve.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Niels
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:03:41AM -0400, farzaneh badii wrote:
> > > Thanks Niels.
> > >
> > > We have been discussing this with EC and we can approve it as an
> NCUC
> > > statement.
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Farzaneh
> > >
> > > Farzaneh
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Niels ten Oever <
> > > lists at digitaldissidents.org <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > This morning the ICANN VP for Security and IT published a
> > blogpost which
> > > > appeared in this mornings newsletter, as well as on ICANNs
> website
> > > > concerning the Dark Web.
> > > >
> > > >
> > https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-
> hidden-services
> > <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-
> hidden-services>
> > > >
> > > > A number of us got together and drafted an email to the author
> > to give
> > > > him an opportunity to correct the falsehoods that are stated in
> > the blog.
> > > >
> > > > We have two options:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Send the letter on behalf of the NCUC
> > > > 2. Sign the letter in your personal capacities.
> > > >
> > > > Let's discuss it here, but feel free to already sign (as a
> fallback
> > > > option).
> > > >
> > > > You can find the draft letter here:
> > > >
> > > >
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9j
> > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9j>
> > > > dD49y3CAKVLoac/edit
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Niels
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Niels ten Oever
> > > > Head of Digital
> > > >
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> > > >
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