[NCUC-DISCUSS] email in response to ICANN blogpost
Niels ten Oever
lists at digitaldissidents.org
Thu Jul 13 12:25:48 CEST 2017
Disagree that this is a good source. It repeats as lot of the BS and
gossip around 'the darkweb' without substantiating it. Most famously the
'hitman - claim'.
The one source they use to say that almost everything is illegal on the
darkweb
(https://www.ourinternet.org/sites/default/files/publications/no20_0.pdf)
says:
Classification of web pages is a difficult task, and while
there exist automatic classifiers based on machine learning,
the dataset in this case was small enough that manual
classification was not unduly onerous. Additionally, the
authors felt that given the range and complex, technical
nature of some of the content, automatic classifiers would
be insufficient due to difficulty in interpreting context and
meaning (Samarawickrama and Jayaratne 2011)
and it concludes:
This paper does suggest that child abuse content is the
most popular type of content on the Tor Dark Net. While
law enforcement may crawl such sites, the number of
requests that would be seen would be only a tiny fraction,
and hence not skew the outline ratios. Similarly, denial of
service attacks were not observed and so are also unlikely
to account for the high requests. The usage of Tor2Web
may underrepresent some categories, but it is not currently
clear whether, or why, such groups would exclusively use
this tool.
An explicit categorization of sites into illegal and legal
was not undertaken, but it was abundantly clear to the
authors that the majority of sites were of questionable
legality. While anonymity and privacy tools such as Tor
might fight online surveillance, they also give an easy and
accessible route for those with criminal motivations. There
are alternatives, such as botnets, available for criminal
activity, but these do not negate the comparative ease with
which Tor can be used.
It is technically possible to block Tor, although it is likely
that the Tor Project will deploy countermeasures resulting
in the endeavour descending into a cat-and-mouse game
of “circumvent-and-censor.” In any case, Tor does not
provide the absolute impunity that is often attributed to it.
Cheers,
Niels
On 07/13/2017 12:16 PM, Michael Oghia wrote:
> In case anyone is interested, this is the best resource I've seen on the
> dark / deep web in a while that also happens to be an infographic:
>
> http://www.visualcapitalist.com/dark-web/
>
> Best,
> -Michael
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Niels ten Oever
> <lists at digitaldissidents.org <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>> wrote:
>
> I've been working with Dave to update blogpost, and the blog now is
> addressing our concerns.
>
> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services
> <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services>
>
> Thanks everyone for making this happen so quickly, now we ensured
> that Hidden Services are not getting a worse name than they deserve.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Niels
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:03:41AM -0400, farzaneh badii wrote:
> > Thanks Niels.
> >
> > We have been discussing this with EC and we can approve it as an NCUC
> > statement.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Farzaneh
> >
> > Farzaneh
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Niels ten Oever <
> > lists at digitaldissidents.org <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > This morning the ICANN VP for Security and IT published a
> blogpost which
> > > appeared in this mornings newsletter, as well as on ICANNs website
> > > concerning the Dark Web.
> > >
> > >
> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services
> <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services>
> > >
> > > A number of us got together and drafted an email to the author
> to give
> > > him an opportunity to correct the falsehoods that are stated in
> the blog.
> > >
> > > We have two options:
> > >
> > > 1. Send the letter on behalf of the NCUC
> > > 2. Sign the letter in your personal capacities.
> > >
> > > Let's discuss it here, but feel free to already sign (as a fallback
> > > option).
> > >
> > > You can find the draft letter here:
> > >
> > >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9j
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9j>
> > > dD49y3CAKVLoac/edit
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Niels
> > >
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