[NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60

Wed Aug 23 14:34:57 CEST 2017

Greetings,

I am currently working on a Draft Agenda. If anyone is interested in
contributing I can provide a link so we can work together. I am trying to
display the main points expressed in this discussion — including, of
course, the argument that ICANN might have nothing to do with it.

Gustavo.

On 22 August 2017 at 21:25, Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On the Brasil level: I'd love to help building a proposal (and translating
> it) for the Forum Brasileiro!
>
> Regarding Abu Dhabi: I do get the intricacies pointed out by the ones who
> are opposing this discussion being held on the meeting but isn't there
> anything we could do such as discussing it in any sort of outreach or in a
> less formal environment? Its a tricky discussion but considering the
> non-commercial user point of view it's far too important for us not to at
> least try to have it! Even if the idea was to sit down and re-emphasize the
> idea that Icann has nothing to do with that.
>
> Best,
> Bruna
>
>
> Em terça-feira, 22 de agosto de 2017, Cláudio Lucena <
> claudiokilla at gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> Sure, Martin, absolutely agree.
>>
>> The idea was not to substitute, but rather to amplify the debate, since
>> the period for proposals is open in the local Internet Forum space. Nothing
>> can replace the wider discussion that we are considering for the ICANN
>>  space.
>>
>> We'll be working in the National proposal meanwhile, and sharing with you
>> the aspects which we believe might contribute to the wider perspective.
>>
>> Cláudio
>>
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>> On 23 Aug 2017, at 04:11, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <
>> mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>> I agree with Michale, Jeremy and others on the need to address this as a
>> group, and I do not “fear” the consequences of talking for the sake of
>> talking, I do agree with James or Milton to avoid any official communicate,
>> but it does have policy relevance for ICANN and the GNSO.
>>
>> From James “Sorry Martin but in no way does ICANN enforce registrars TOS
>> on its customers with regards to right to not provide service for content
>> matters.” This is not what I meant at all. I think we actually may see eye
>> to eye on what role ICANN and Contracted parties may have, but I think that
>> the debate is relevant in this forum and re-stateing neutrality of content
>> in ICANN policy is a must when this sort of events raise confusion and
>> uncertainty.
>>
>> On the IGF Brazil, please do debate, is a relevant forum for a relevant
>> topic and very graceful community, but I don’t see how that is going to
>> replace Jeremy’s request on ICANN space or the global community that ICANN
>> gathers.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martín Silva
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 7:09 PM, Gustavo Paiva <gdp.direito at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate your suggestion, Michael. I'll start working on a draft.
>>
>> Gustavo Paiva.
>>
>> On 22 August 2017 at 18:15, Michael Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 Michael.
>>>
>>> Might I suggest that those interested in speaking at the event as well
>>> as those who want to host it create a draft agenda along with some proposed
>>> aims and objectives?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -Michael
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Mike <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I feel very strongly that we shouldn't be self-censoring our topics for
>>>> discussion based on the fact that the venue is Abu Dhabi. It's bad enough
>>>> we are going to have members who cannot attend based on their activist
>>>> backgrounds. If we approach this from the perspective of avoiding any
>>>> discussion that might make waves, there's no point even showing up.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that this could be the topic for a wonderful discussion at
>>>> Brazilian IGF, but I don't see the two conversations as being mutually
>>>> exclusive, especially as many (most?) of us won't be at that meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I'll also add that I understand concerns raised earlier about normative
>>>> statements but, from my perspective, this discussion would be less about
>>>> establishing an official NCUC position and more about feeling the topic
>>>> out. I wouldn't expect the discussion to end with any sort of "official"
>>>> conclusion that Cloudflare was wrong (or right), but given that this is an
>>>> issue with implications for ICANN going forward, it would be useful to come
>>>> together and share some preliminary thoughts about future challenges. At
>>>> least, that's how I see it. Let's have the conversation.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Viviane Vinagre <
>>>> vivianegvinagre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "I understand James's concern for scope, just like Bill I don't yet
>>>> know what to think either, but it seems that Ayden's line that DNS, as a
>>>> technical framework, "is being used to determine who can and cannot
>>>> disseminate knowledge and opinions" is absolutely enough for us to put this
>>>> discussion forward for the time being."
>>>>
>>>> I also agree with what Claudio said, I think the best option for us is
>>>> doing a workshop and discuss that matter in the Brazillian IGF. And as
>>>> Gustavo I think we would have a better civilized, productive debate,
>>>> with both sides being represented in Brazil than in Abu Dhabi where the
>>>> enviroment about freedom of expression isn't that good.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2017-08-21 17:13 GMT-03:00 Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/8/17 12:37 pm, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree, let's not escalate things  ourselves.  I think the CEO of
>>>>> Cloudfare has expressed it quite well: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/1
>>>>> 7/cloudflare-ceo-says-removing-the-daily-stormer-is-slippery
>>>>> -slope.html.
>>>>> I think we should have this discussion, am neutral as to the
>>>>> appropriate setting.  I bet Michael Nelson from Cloudfare will be there, he
>>>>> would be good to talk to as a discussant of the matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also Namecheap, if you haven't seen this piece of theirs, especially
>>>>> the addendum:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://blog.namecheap.com/inciting-violence-vs-freedom-speech/
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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