[NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60

Wed Aug 23 02:25:42 CEST 2017

On the Brasil level: I'd love to help building a proposal (and translating
it) for the Forum Brasileiro!

Regarding Abu Dhabi: I do get the intricacies pointed out by the ones who
are opposing this discussion being held on the meeting but isn't there
anything we could do such as discussing it in any sort of outreach or in a
less formal environment? Its a tricky discussion but considering the
non-commercial user point of view it's far too important for us not to at
least try to have it! Even if the idea was to sit down and re-emphasize the
idea that Icann has nothing to do with that.

Best,
Bruna

Em terça-feira, 22 de agosto de 2017, Cláudio Lucena <claudiokilla at gmail.com>
escreveu:

> Sure, Martin, absolutely agree.
>
> The idea was not to substitute, but rather to amplify the debate, since
> the period for proposals is open in the local Internet Forum space. Nothing
> can replace the wider discussion that we are considering for the ICANN
>  space.
>
> We'll be working in the National proposal meanwhile, and sharing with you
> the aspects which we believe might contribute to the wider perspective.
>
> Cláudio
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> On 23 Aug 2017, at 04:11, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <
> mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mpsilvavalent at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> All,
> I agree with Michale, Jeremy and others on the need to address this as a
> group, and I do not “fear” the consequences of talking for the sake of
> talking, I do agree with James or Milton to avoid any official communicate,
> but it does have policy relevance for ICANN and the GNSO.
>
> From James “Sorry Martin but in no way does ICANN enforce registrars TOS
> on its customers with regards to right to not provide service for content
> matters.” This is not what I meant at all. I think we actually may see eye
> to eye on what role ICANN and Contracted parties may have, but I think that
> the debate is relevant in this forum and re-stateing neutrality of content
> in ICANN policy is a must when this sort of events raise confusion and
> uncertainty.
>
> On the IGF Brazil, please do debate, is a relevant forum for a relevant
> topic and very graceful community, but I don’t see how that is going to
> replace Jeremy’s request on ICANN space or the global community that ICANN
> gathers.
>
> Cheers,
> Martín Silva
>
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2017, at 7:09 PM, Gustavo Paiva <gdp.direito at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gdp.direito at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> I appreciate your suggestion, Michael. I'll start working on a draft.
>
> Gustavo Paiva.
>
> On 22 August 2017 at 18:15, Michael Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mike.oghia at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> +1 Michael.
>>
>> Might I suggest that those interested in speaking at the event as well as
>> those who want to host it create a draft agenda along with some proposed
>> aims and objectives?
>>
>> Best,
>> -Michael
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Mike <mkaranicolas at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mkaranicolas at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I feel very strongly that we shouldn't be self-censoring our topics for
>>> discussion based on the fact that the venue is Abu Dhabi. It's bad enough
>>> we are going to have members who cannot attend based on their activist
>>> backgrounds. If we approach this from the perspective of avoiding any
>>> discussion that might make waves, there's no point even showing up.
>>>
>>> I agree that this could be the topic for a wonderful discussion at
>>> Brazilian IGF, but I don't see the two conversations as being mutually
>>> exclusive, especially as many (most?) of us won't be at that meeting.
>>>
>>> I'll also add that I understand concerns raised earlier about normative
>>> statements but, from my perspective, this discussion would be less about
>>> establishing an official NCUC position and more about feeling the topic
>>> out. I wouldn't expect the discussion to end with any sort of "official"
>>> conclusion that Cloudflare was wrong (or right), but given that this is an
>>> issue with implications for ICANN going forward, it would be useful to come
>>> together and share some preliminary thoughts about future challenges. At
>>> least, that's how I see it. Let's have the conversation.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Viviane Vinagre <vivianegvinagre at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vivianegvinagre at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "I understand James's concern for scope, just like Bill I don't yet
>>> know what to think either, but it seems that Ayden's line that DNS, as a
>>> technical framework, "is being used to determine who can and cannot
>>> disseminate knowledge and opinions" is absolutely enough for us to put this
>>> discussion forward for the time being."
>>>
>>> I also agree with what Claudio said, I think the best option for us is
>>> doing a workshop and discuss that matter in the Brazillian IGF. And as
>>> Gustavo I think we would have a better civilized, productive debate,
>>> with both sides being represented in Brazil than in Abu Dhabi where the
>>> enviroment about freedom of expression isn't that good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-08-21 17:13 GMT-03:00 Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jmalcolm at eff.org');>>:
>>>
>>>> On 20/8/17 12:37 pm, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree, let's not escalate things  ourselves.  I think the CEO of
>>>> Cloudfare has expressed it quite well: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/1
>>>> 7/cloudflare-ceo-says-removing-the-daily-stormer-is-slippery-slope.html
>>>> .
>>>> I think we should have this discussion, am neutral as to the
>>>> appropriate setting.  I bet Michael Nelson from Cloudfare will be there, he
>>>> would be good to talk to as a discussant of the matter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also Namecheap, if you haven't seen this piece of theirs, especially
>>>> the addendum:
>>>>
>>>> https://blog.namecheap.com/inciting-violence-vs-freedom-speech/
>>>>
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