[NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60

Sun Aug 20 21:37:48 CEST 2017

I agree, let's not escalate things  ourselves.  I think the CEO of 
Cloudfare has expressed it quite well: 
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/17/cloudflare-ceo-says-removing-the-daily-stormer-is-slippery-slope.html.
I think we should have this discussion, am neutral as to the appropriate 
setting.  I bet Michael Nelson from Cloudfare will be there, he would be 
good to talk to as a discussant of the matter.
Stephanie Perrin
On 2017-08-20 12:36, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> That escalated quickly. I don't think the statement by EFF is
> interpreted that way. Am a bit surprised that people would base their
> decisions on how a fringe group portrays them.
>
> For some more reading on the issue a selection of articles from Berkman:
>
> https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/harmfulspeech
>
> On 08/20/2017 06:29 PM, James Gannon wrote:
>> Be very careful here guys, the minute that this session is rebranded
>> as why the NCUC thinks that Nazis should have been left online, which
>> is exactly how this session will be branded by the alt-right, is the
>> minute you will see half of your membership resign, myself included.
>>
>> -James
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ncuc-discuss
>> [mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] On Behalf Of Kathy
>> Kleiman Sent: 20 August 2017 17:06 To: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for
>> hate speech at ICANN 60
>>
>> That's great, Niels, but I think it is also a very important session
>> for NCUC to have as well (NCUC and/or NCSG).  There are a range of
>> pending policy issues -- in ICANN and just outside of ICANN -- that
>> we need not only to discuss, but to start formulating plans and
>> strategies.
>>
>> Termination of domain names -- via lack of due process, private
>> copyright law and private trademark law -- are all very much issues
>> that the Noncommercial Community needs to be ready for in statements,
>> comments and positions to come.  The more we work on this issue the
>> better.
>>
>> BTW, these are issues -- especially termination of domain names
>> without due process -- that go back to the very founding of the NCUC
>> and our earliest work on the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy
>> (UDRP) which was "consensus policy #1" in ICANN. We fought for a
>> policy grounded in intellectual property laws **and legal protections
>> for free expression and due process.** With so many similar issues
>> now on the table, this is our NCUC moment to continue to serve as the
>> conscience of ICANN.
>>
>> Best, Kathy
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/2017 3:36 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Perhaps we can probably make some time in the CCWP HR / human
>>> rights session for this? Would that work for people?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Niels
>>>
>>> On 08/19/2017 02:16 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> In case it is helpful, please find attached the preliminary block
>>>>   schedule for ICANN 60.
>>>>
>>>> It is really a shame we cannot have this discussion as a
>>>> cross-community High Interest Topic at ICANN 60. I think that
>>>> would be the best place for this dialogue to take place.
>>>> Nonetheless, I count myself among those who would welcome this
>>>> conversation taking place on Constituency Day.
>>>>
>>>> And Jeremy, thanks for sharing that excellent statement on
>>>> content removal and noting what a blunt instrument the suspension
>>>> of a domain name is. Freedom of expression is a fundamental human
>>>> right. You don't take human rights away from people just because
>>>> you hate them or their views. It's kind of shocking to me how
>>>> quickly some have been to throw these fundamental principles of
>>>> liberalism into the bonfire.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline linkedin.com/in/ferdeline
>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS]
>>>>> Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60
>>>>> Local Time: 19 August 2017 3:49 AM UTC Time: 19 August 2017
>>>>> 02:49 From: dave at davecake.net To: Jeremy Malcolm
>>>>> <jmalcolm at eff.org> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>>>>
>>>>> I would support this discussion taking place. I find the NCSG
>>>>> agenda is usually a bit more open, and NCUC agenda often pretty
>>>>> packed.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Aug 2017, at 7:48 am, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org
>>>>>>   <mailto:jmalcolm at eff.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EFF has just posted its thoughts on the GoDaddy and Google
>>>>>> termination of the Daily Stormer's domain:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/08/fighting-neo-nazis-future-fre
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> e-expression
>>>>>> This would be a timely topic to address in more detail at
>>>>>> ICANN 60. I will be attending and would like to be able to
>>>>>> find some time to talk about this and also about the recent
>>>>>> EFF and Public Knowledge whitepaper "Which Internet
>>>>>> registries offer the best protection for domain owners?
>>>>>> <https://www.eff.org/wp/which-internet-registries-offer-best-protection-domain-owners>".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> What are the avenues for holding such a presentation?  Is there
>>>>>> already a block of time for NCSG where this would fit in, or
>>>>>> should a separate session be requested?  If so can anyone
>>>>>> point me to the information about how to do this?  Sorry, I'm
>>>>>> a little behind on the logistics of ICANN meetings because I
>>>>>> seldom attend in person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Jeremy Malcolm Senior Global Policy Analyst Electronic
>>>>>> Frontier Foundation https://eff.org jmalcolm at eff.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: 415.436.9333 ext 161
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :: Defending Your Rights in the Digital World ::
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