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<font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I agree, let's not
escalate things ourselves. I think the CEO of Cloudfare has
expressed it quite well:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/17/cloudflare-ceo-says-removing-the-daily-stormer-is-slippery-slope.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/17/cloudflare-ceo-says-removing-the-daily-stormer-is-slippery-slope.html</a>.<br>
I think we should have this discussion, am neutral as to the
appropriate setting. I bet Michael Nelson from Cloudfare will
be there, he would be good to talk to as a discussant of the
matter.<br>
Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<pre wrap="">That escalated quickly. I don't think the statement by EFF is
interpreted that way. Am a bit surprised that people would base their
decisions on how a fringe group portrays them.
For some more reading on the issue a selection of articles from Berkman:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/harmfulspeech">https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/harmfulspeech</a>
On 08/20/2017 06:29 PM, James Gannon wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Be very careful here guys, the minute that this session is rebranded
as why the NCUC thinks that Nazis should have been left online, which
is exactly how this session will be branded by the alt-right, is the
minute you will see half of your membership resign, myself included.
-James
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Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for
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That's great, Niels, but I think it is also a very important session
for NCUC to have as well (NCUC and/or NCSG). There are a range of
pending policy issues -- in ICANN and just outside of ICANN -- that
we need not only to discuss, but to start formulating plans and
strategies.
Termination of domain names -- via lack of due process, private
copyright law and private trademark law -- are all very much issues
that the Noncommercial Community needs to be ready for in statements,
comments and positions to come. The more we work on this issue the
better.
BTW, these are issues -- especially termination of domain names
without due process -- that go back to the very founding of the NCUC
and our earliest work on the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy
(UDRP) which was "consensus policy #1" in ICANN. We fought for a
policy grounded in intellectual property laws **and legal protections
for free expression and due process.** With so many similar issues
now on the table, this is our NCUC moment to continue to serve as the
conscience of ICANN.
Best, Kathy
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Perhaps we can probably make some time in the CCWP HR / human
rights session for this? Would that work for people?
Best,
Niels
On 08/19/2017 02:16 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
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In case it is helpful, please find attached the preliminary block
schedule for ICANN 60.
It is really a shame we cannot have this discussion as a
cross-community High Interest Topic at ICANN 60. I think that
would be the best place for this dialogue to take place.
Nonetheless, I count myself among those who would welcome this
conversation taking place on Constituency Day.
And Jeremy, thanks for sharing that excellent statement on
content removal and noting what a blunt instrument the suspension
of a domain name is. Freedom of expression is a fundamental human
right. You don't take human rights away from people just because
you hate them or their views. It's kind of shocking to me how
quickly some have been to throw these fundamental principles of
liberalism into the bonfire.
Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline linkedin.com/in/ferdeline
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Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60
Local Time: 19 August 2017 3:49 AM UTC Time: 19 August 2017
02:49 From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">dave@davecake.net</a> To: Jeremy Malcolm
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I would support this discussion taking place. I find the NCSG
agenda is usually a bit more open, and NCUC agenda often pretty
packed.
David
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<pre wrap="">On 18 Aug 2017, at 7:48 am, Jeremy Malcolm <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>
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Hello all,
EFF has just posted its thoughts on the GoDaddy and Google
termination of the Daily Stormer's domain:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/08/fighting-neo-nazis-future-fre">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/08/fighting-neo-nazis-future-fre</a>
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This would be a timely topic to address in more detail at
ICANN 60. I will be attending and would like to be able to
find some time to talk about this and also about the recent
EFF and Public Knowledge whitepaper "Which Internet
registries offer the best protection for domain owners?
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.eff.org/wp/which-internet-registries-offer-best-protection-domain-owners"><https://www.eff.org/wp/which-internet-registries-offer-best-protection-domain-owners></a>".
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should a separate session be requested? If so can anyone
point me to the information about how to do this? Sorry, I'm
a little behind on the logistics of ICANN meetings because I
seldom attend in person.
Thanks.
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