[NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60

Sun Aug 20 20:28:05 CEST 2017

+1 Ayden and Kathy

On 20.08.2017 20:37, James Gannon wrote:

>> minute you will see half of your membership resign, myself included.

> Well for those of us who don’t work in activism how we are portrayed,
> or how the organisations (Such as NCUC) that we affiliate ourselves
> with are portrayed are 100% how I base my decisions on continued
> association.

I do not work in activism, yet how NCUC (or other organization) is
portrayed is not how I base my decision on contributing, joining,
leaving or continued association.

Actual situation is the most relevant fact.

I do understand your concern though. I think it shouldn't be the reason
to leave this discussion if there's interest to have it.

Solidarity,

Dina Solveig Jalkanen
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* As a side note, there's cinematographic evidence of Nazis having fled
to the moon and out of ICANN scope:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky

On 20.08.2017 20:37, James Gannon wrote:
> Well for those of us who don’t work in activism how we are portrayed, or how the organisations (Such as NCUC) that we affiliate ourselves with are portrayed are 100% how I base my decisions on continued association.
> 
> -James
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ncuc-discuss [mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] On Behalf Of Niels ten Oever
> Sent: 20 August 2017 17:36
> To: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60
> 
> That escalated quickly. I don't think the statement by EFF is interpreted that way. Am a bit surprised that people would base their decisions on how a fringe group portrays them.
> 
> For some more reading on the issue a selection of articles from Berkman:
> 
> https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/harmfulspeech
> 
> On 08/20/2017 06:29 PM, James Gannon wrote:
>> Be very careful here guys, the minute that this session is rebranded 
>> as why the NCUC thinks that Nazis should have been left online, which 
>> is exactly how this session will be branded by the alt-right, is the 
>> minute you will see half of your membership resign, myself included.
>>
>> -James
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ncuc-discuss 
>> [mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] On Behalf Of Kathy 
>> Kleiman Sent: 20 August 2017 17:06 To: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for hate 
>> speech at ICANN 60
>>
>> That's great, Niels, but I think it is also a very important session 
>> for NCUC to have as well (NCUC and/or NCSG).  There are a range of 
>> pending policy issues -- in ICANN and just outside of ICANN -- that we 
>> need not only to discuss, but to start formulating plans and 
>> strategies.
>>
>> Termination of domain names -- via lack of due process, private 
>> copyright law and private trademark law -- are all very much issues 
>> that the Noncommercial Community needs to be ready for in statements, 
>> comments and positions to come.  The more we work on this issue the 
>> better.
>>
>> BTW, these are issues -- especially termination of domain names 
>> without due process -- that go back to the very founding of the NCUC 
>> and our earliest work on the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy
>> (UDRP) which was "consensus policy #1" in ICANN. We fought for a 
>> policy grounded in intellectual property laws **and legal protections 
>> for free expression and due process.** With so many similar issues now 
>> on the table, this is our NCUC moment to continue to serve as the 
>> conscience of ICANN.
>>
>> Best, Kathy
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/2017 3:36 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Perhaps we can probably make some time in the CCWP HR / human rights 
>>> session for this? Would that work for people?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Niels
>>>
>>> On 08/19/2017 02:16 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> In case it is helpful, please find attached the preliminary block  
>>>> schedule for ICANN 60.
>>>>
>>>> It is really a shame we cannot have this discussion as a 
>>>> cross-community High Interest Topic at ICANN 60. I think that would 
>>>> be the best place for this dialogue to take place.
>>>> Nonetheless, I count myself among those who would welcome this 
>>>> conversation taking place on Constituency Day.
>>>>
>>>> And Jeremy, thanks for sharing that excellent statement on content 
>>>> removal and noting what a blunt instrument the suspension of a 
>>>> domain name is. Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right. 
>>>> You don't take human rights away from people just because you hate 
>>>> them or their views. It's kind of shocking to me how quickly some 
>>>> have been to throw these fundamental principles of liberalism into 
>>>> the bonfire.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline linkedin.com/in/ferdeline 
>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] 
>>>>> Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60 Local 
>>>>> Time: 19 August 2017 3:49 AM UTC Time: 19 August 2017
>>>>> 02:49 From: dave at davecake.net To: Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org> 
>>>>> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>>>>
>>>>> I would support this discussion taking place. I find the NCSG 
>>>>> agenda is usually a bit more open, and NCUC agenda often pretty 
>>>>> packed.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Aug 2017, at 7:48 am, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org  
>>>>>> <mailto:jmalcolm at eff.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EFF has just posted its thoughts on the GoDaddy and Google 
>>>>>> termination of the Daily Stormer's domain:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/08/fighting-neo-nazis-future-fr
>>>>>> e
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> e-expression
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This would be a timely topic to address in more detail at ICANN 
>>>>>> 60. I will be attending and would like to be able to find some 
>>>>>> time to talk about this and also about the recent EFF and Public 
>>>>>> Knowledge whitepaper "Which Internet registries offer the best 
>>>>>> protection for domain owners?
>>>>>> <https://www.eff.org/wp/which-internet-registries-offer-best-protection-domain-owners>".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> What are the avenues for holding such a presentation?  Is there
>>>>>> already a block of time for NCSG where this would fit in, or 
>>>>>> should a separate session be requested?  If so can anyone point me 
>>>>>> to the information about how to do this?  Sorry, I'm a little 
>>>>>> behind on the logistics of ICANN meetings because I seldom attend 
>>>>>> in person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Jeremy Malcolm Senior Global Policy Analyst Electronic Frontier 
>>>>>> Foundation https://eff.org jmalcolm at eff.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: 415.436.9333 ext 161
>>>>>>
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