[NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60

Sun Aug 20 18:36:13 CEST 2017

That escalated quickly. I don't think the statement by EFF is
interpreted that way. Am a bit surprised that people would base their
decisions on how a fringe group portrays them.

For some more reading on the issue a selection of articles from Berkman:

https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/harmfulspeech

On 08/20/2017 06:29 PM, James Gannon wrote:
> Be very careful here guys, the minute that this session is rebranded
> as why the NCUC thinks that Nazis should have been left online, which
> is exactly how this session will be branded by the alt-right, is the
> minute you will see half of your membership resign, myself included.
> 
> -James
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Ncuc-discuss
> [mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] On Behalf Of Kathy
> Kleiman Sent: 20 August 2017 17:06 To: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org 
> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for
> hate speech at ICANN 60
> 
> That's great, Niels, but I think it is also a very important session
> for NCUC to have as well (NCUC and/or NCSG).  There are a range of
> pending policy issues -- in ICANN and just outside of ICANN -- that
> we need not only to discuss, but to start formulating plans and
> strategies.
> 
> Termination of domain names -- via lack of due process, private
> copyright law and private trademark law -- are all very much issues
> that the Noncommercial Community needs to be ready for in statements,
> comments and positions to come.  The more we work on this issue the
> better.
> 
> BTW, these are issues -- especially termination of domain names
> without due process -- that go back to the very founding of the NCUC
> and our earliest work on the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy
> (UDRP) which was "consensus policy #1" in ICANN. We fought for a
> policy grounded in intellectual property laws **and legal protections
> for free expression and due process.** With so many similar issues
> now on the table, this is our NCUC moment to continue to serve as the
> conscience of ICANN.
> 
> Best, Kathy
> 
> 
> On 8/20/2017 3:36 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Perhaps we can probably make some time in the CCWP HR / human
>> rights session for this? Would that work for people?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Niels
>> 
>> On 08/19/2017 02:16 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> In case it is helpful, please find attached the preliminary block
>>>  schedule for ICANN 60.
>>> 
>>> It is really a shame we cannot have this discussion as a 
>>> cross-community High Interest Topic at ICANN 60. I think that
>>> would be the best place for this dialogue to take place.
>>> Nonetheless, I count myself among those who would welcome this
>>> conversation taking place on Constituency Day.
>>> 
>>> And Jeremy, thanks for sharing that excellent statement on
>>> content removal and noting what a blunt instrument the suspension
>>> of a domain name is. Freedom of expression is a fundamental human
>>> right. You don't take human rights away from people just because
>>> you hate them or their views. It's kind of shocking to me how
>>> quickly some have been to throw these fundamental principles of
>>> liberalism into the bonfire.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Ayden Férdeline linkedin.com/in/ferdeline
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS]
>>>> Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60
>>>> Local Time: 19 August 2017 3:49 AM UTC Time: 19 August 2017
>>>> 02:49 From: dave at davecake.net To: Jeremy Malcolm
>>>> <jmalcolm at eff.org> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>>> 
>>>> I would support this discussion taking place. I find the NCSG
>>>> agenda is usually a bit more open, and NCUC agenda often pretty
>>>> packed.
>>>> 
>>>> David
>>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Aug 2017, at 7:48 am, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org
>>>>>  <mailto:jmalcolm at eff.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> EFF has just posted its thoughts on the GoDaddy and Google 
>>>>> termination of the Daily Stormer's domain:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/08/fighting-neo-nazis-future-fre
>>>>>
>>>>> 
e-expression
>>>>> 
>>>>> This would be a timely topic to address in more detail at
>>>>> ICANN 60. I will be attending and would like to be able to
>>>>> find some time to talk about this and also about the recent
>>>>> EFF and Public Knowledge whitepaper "Which Internet
>>>>> registries offer the best protection for domain owners? 
>>>>> <https://www.eff.org/wp/which-internet-registries-offer-best-protection-domain-owners>".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
What are the avenues for holding such a presentation?  Is there
>>>>> already a block of time for NCSG where this would fit in, or
>>>>> should a separate session be requested?  If so can anyone
>>>>> point me to the information about how to do this?  Sorry, I'm
>>>>> a little behind on the logistics of ICANN meetings because I
>>>>> seldom attend in person.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Jeremy Malcolm Senior Global Policy Analyst Electronic
>>>>> Frontier Foundation https://eff.org jmalcolm at eff.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tel: 415.436.9333 ext 161
>>>>> 
>>>>> :: Defending Your Rights in the Digital World ::
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