[NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60

James Gannon james at cyberinvasion.net
Sun Aug 20 19:37:46 CEST 2017 

Well for those of us who don’t work in activism how we are portrayed, or how the organisations (Such as NCUC) that we affiliate ourselves with are portrayed are 100% how I base my decisions on continued association.

-James

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From: Ncuc-discuss [mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] On Behalf Of Niels ten Oever
Sent: 20 August 2017 17:36
To: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60

That escalated quickly. I don't think the statement by EFF is interpreted that way. Am a bit surprised that people would base their decisions on how a fringe group portrays them.

For some more reading on the issue a selection of articles from Berkman:

https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/harmfulspeech

On 08/20/2017 06:29 PM, James Gannon wrote:
> Be very careful here guys, the minute that this session is rebranded 
> as why the NCUC thinks that Nazis should have been left online, which 
> is exactly how this session will be branded by the alt-right, is the 
> minute you will see half of your membership resign, myself included.
> 
> -James
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Ncuc-discuss 
> [mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Kleiman Sent: 20 August 2017 17:06 To: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for hate 
> speech at ICANN 60
> 
> That's great, Niels, but I think it is also a very important session 
> for NCUC to have as well (NCUC and/or NCSG).  There are a range of 
> pending policy issues -- in ICANN and just outside of ICANN -- that we 
> need not only to discuss, but to start formulating plans and 
> strategies.
> 
> Termination of domain names -- via lack of due process, private 
> copyright law and private trademark law -- are all very much issues 
> that the Noncommercial Community needs to be ready for in statements, 
> comments and positions to come.  The more we work on this issue the 
> better.
> 
> BTW, these are issues -- especially termination of domain names 
> without due process -- that go back to the very founding of the NCUC 
> and our earliest work on the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy
> (UDRP) which was "consensus policy #1" in ICANN. We fought for a 
> policy grounded in intellectual property laws **and legal protections 
> for free expression and due process.** With so many similar issues now 
> on the table, this is our NCUC moment to continue to serve as the 
> conscience of ICANN.
> 
> Best, Kathy
> 
> 
> On 8/20/2017 3:36 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Perhaps we can probably make some time in the CCWP HR / human rights 
>> session for this? Would that work for people?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Niels
>> 
>> On 08/19/2017 02:16 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> In case it is helpful, please find attached the preliminary block  
>>> schedule for ICANN 60.
>>> 
>>> It is really a shame we cannot have this discussion as a 
>>> cross-community High Interest Topic at ICANN 60. I think that would 
>>> be the best place for this dialogue to take place.
>>> Nonetheless, I count myself among those who would welcome this 
>>> conversation taking place on Constituency Day.
>>> 
>>> And Jeremy, thanks for sharing that excellent statement on content 
>>> removal and noting what a blunt instrument the suspension of a 
>>> domain name is. Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right. 
>>> You don't take human rights away from people just because you hate 
>>> them or their views. It's kind of shocking to me how quickly some 
>>> have been to throw these fundamental principles of liberalism into 
>>> the bonfire.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Ayden Férdeline linkedin.com/in/ferdeline 
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] 
>>>> Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60 Local 
>>>> Time: 19 August 2017 3:49 AM UTC Time: 19 August 2017
>>>> 02:49 From: dave at davecake.net To: Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org> 
>>>> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>>> 
>>>> I would support this discussion taking place. I find the NCSG 
>>>> agenda is usually a bit more open, and NCUC agenda often pretty 
>>>> packed.
>>>> 
>>>> David
>>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Aug 2017, at 7:48 am, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org  
>>>>> <mailto:jmalcolm at eff.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> EFF has just posted its thoughts on the GoDaddy and Google 
>>>>> termination of the Daily Stormer's domain:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/08/fighting-neo-nazis-future-fr
>>>>> e
>>>>>
>>>>> 
e-expression
>>>>> 
>>>>> This would be a timely topic to address in more detail at ICANN 
>>>>> 60. I will be attending and would like to be able to find some 
>>>>> time to talk about this and also about the recent EFF and Public 
>>>>> Knowledge whitepaper "Which Internet registries offer the best 
>>>>> protection for domain owners?
>>>>> <https://www.eff.org/wp/which-internet-registries-offer-best-protection-domain-owners>".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
What are the avenues for holding such a presentation?  Is there
>>>>> already a block of time for NCSG where this would fit in, or 
>>>>> should a separate session be requested?  If so can anyone point me 
>>>>> to the information about how to do this?  Sorry, I'm a little 
>>>>> behind on the logistics of ICANN meetings because I seldom attend 
>>>>> in person.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Jeremy Malcolm Senior Global Policy Analyst Electronic Frontier 
>>>>> Foundation https://eff.org jmalcolm at eff.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tel: 415.436.9333 ext 161
>>>>> 
>>>>> :: Defending Your Rights in the Digital World ::
>>>>> 
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>>>>> https://www.eff.org/files/2016/11/27/key_jmalcolm.txt PGP
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