[NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC participating in it?

Fri Dec 23 18:43:53 CET 2016

It is interesting to know that such provisions are available to bring in
new members on board.
This is will be good to have it take off in the new year and we are certain
a handful of new hands will join the ICANN policy development process.

Great development and I am sure the EC will act on the best interest of
NCUC.

Benjamin

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Ayden, for explaining the difference of the two pilot program. In
> fact I didn't know about the externally funded program.
> I second both Farzi, Ayden and Arsène to investigate into the externally
> research oriented pilot program as per Farzi's comments.
> Wishing you a happy holidays and catch up with you after the new year.
>
>
> On 23 Dec 2016 13:27, "Arsène Tungali" <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for clarifying, Ayden. I was actually confusing both programs.
>
> So to sum up (with my comment in bold),
> 1. The pilot community onboarding programme is working to provide new
> volunteer talent with a faster entrance into the ICANN community, and is
> being developed internally. *How far are we with this one*?* We may need
> to speed up this as well because new members are being added regularly and
> there is no time to waste.*
>
> 2. This programme, administered externally by WBC Global, is intended to
> support our involvement in ICANN’s various policy development processes.
>
> *I think this is the one Farzi was talking about, which is starting next
> year? i agree with you, Ayden that we need to take advantage of it and be
> cautious about what we can take or not.*
>
> *Thanks for providing more clarity and/or updates.*
>
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> 2016-12-23 12:32 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> Thanks for sharing your views here, Arsène and Nadira. I am really glad
>> we are having this discussion again, and hope that the EC will involve us
>> in its discussions in the New Year over what level of involvement or
>> organisational support we would like to receive. I just wanted to clarify,
>> however, that this programme is separate to the pilot community onboarding
>> programme, as I think the two are being conflated. The pilot community
>> onboarding programme is working to provide new volunteer talent with a
>> faster entrance into the ICANN community, and is being developed
>> internally. This programme, administered externally by WBC Global, is
>> intended to support our involvement in ICANN’s various policy development
>> processes. What works for other constituencies and stakeholder groups may
>> not work for us, but my understanding is that others are using this support
>> now to aid in their policy work. Of course it would be unwise to think of
>> this offer of assistance from ICANN as help without strings attached — we
>> should think carefully about what support we are happy to accept, and how
>> we can ensure we do not become inappropriately dependent upon it. But we do
>> need additional support, and if we continue to decline the assistance of
>> paid external consultants while others, already with more resources then us
>> accept it, we may only exacerbate our disadvantages.
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
>> participating in it?
>> Local Time: 23 December 2016 9:31 AM
>> UTC Time: 23 December 2016 09:31
>> From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com
>> To: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>
>> Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>> Thanks Ayden for good memories.
>> I think Farzi has set a good timeline in her last message. Let's see what
>> will be the outcomes of step 1, 2 as described and then decide whether
>> worth implementing.
>>
>> Nadira raises a good point. We may need to also dig what other
>> constituencies have been able to do with such a pilot program and maybe
>> build from their experience.
>> After all, any program that aims to help members be well equiped in
>> policy disussion or research should be welcomed (of course after being
>> checked). This should be the starting point to ensure new members are able
>> to engage in ICANN work.
>>
>> ------------------------
>> **Arsène Tungali**
>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
>> <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
>> Tel: +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*
>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>> (YALI) - ISOC IGF Ambassador
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors>
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors>-
>>
>> Blogger <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow
>> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en>. The
>> HuffingtonPost UK
>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/liza-bel/drc_b_8958150.html>
>>
>> 2016-12-23 0:06 GMT+02:00 Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Ayden,
>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for considering the pilot program.
>>> To my understanding that constituencies didn't use their pilot program
>>> for policy research but to document an introduction for new commers in how
>>> to get engaged in the community.
>>> Until now didn't read any  report about the outcome of its first round.
>>>
>>> Worth checking,
>>> Nadira
>>>
>>> On 22 Dec 2016 14:41, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ayden
>>>
>>> Thanks for bringing this up.
>>>
>>> Next year in January, we will do the following 1. Assessing whether  we
>>> can participate in the pilot if renewed. 2. Coming up with our own ideas
>>> for receinving policy receving assistance.
>>> 3. Implementation ( this might happen in Feb or March)
>>>
>>> On 22 Dec 2016 7:29 a.m., "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Farzi,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this update and for sharing your perspective on this issue.
>>>>
>>>> I am glad to hear that the EC will re-evaluate whether or not we choose
>>>> to participate in this pilot programme. At my second ICANN meeting in
>>>> Marrakech, I remember listening to Kathy Kleiman brilliantly communicate to
>>>> the Board that we needed to build our capacity to absorb an increased,
>>>> growing, and specialised workload. When this pilot programme was announced,
>>>> it felt to me like our calls had been heard and resources were being
>>>> offered to boost our participation in ICANN activities. Now it seems like
>>>> other, already-better resourced constituencies and stakeholder groups are
>>>> benefiting from this programme while we turned it down… do forgive me if I
>>>> am oversimplifying things… I just think a better path forward would be if
>>>> participated in the pilot programme and set our own parametres around
>>>> what support we would accept and what support we would find unsuitable.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
>>>> participating in it?
>>>> Local Time: 22 December 2016 12:11 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 22 December 2016 12:11
>>>> From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>>> To: matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org>
>>>> NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>>
>>>> We didn't continue discussing it and in the end did not sign up for it
>>>> for this time. I am now looking into if there will be another opportunity
>>>> to sign up for it in the future.
>>>>
>>>> The EC has to decide on this, one way or another we are going to come
>>>> up with  ways to support policy research in the new year. (Even through
>>>> other means but that's for next year)
>>>>
>>>> Just that you know my opinion about using such services: I do not see
>>>> any problem as long as it is supervised and the researchers do not put in
>>>> their own opinion in docs. But that's my personal opinion and need to
>>>> discuss with EC.
>>>>
>>>> On 22 Dec 2016 06:20, "matthew shears" <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Didn't we reject this option when it was presented to us?  Unfortunately
>>>>
>>>> On 22/12/2016 11:19, James Gannon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh great point, I had forgotten. Whats the status on this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> on behalf
>>>> of Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>> *Date: *Thursday 22 December 2016 at 11:01
>>>> *To: *NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>>> *Subject: *[NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
>>>> participating in it?
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Whatever happened to that ICANN pilot programme which was to offer
>>>> selected constituencies and stakeholder groups assistance with policy
>>>> research and document drafting? I remember being told in Helsinki its
>>>> launch was imminent, and had an excellent discussion with a consultant from
>>>> WBC Global about it. Are there any updates?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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