<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>It is interesting to know that such provisions are available to bring in new members on board.<br></div>This is will be good to have it take off in the new year and we are certain a handful of new hands will join the ICANN policy development process.<br><br></div>Great development and I am sure the EC will act on the best interest of NCUC.<br><br></div>Benjamin<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Nadira Alaraj <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com" target="_blank">nadira.araj@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Thanks Ayden, for explaining the difference of the two pilot program. In fact I didn't know about the externally funded program.</div><div dir="auto">I second both Farzi, Ayden and Arsène to investigate into the externally research oriented pilot program as per Farzi's comments.</div><div dir="auto">Wishing you a happy holidays and catch up with you after the new year.</div><div><div class="h5"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 Dec 2016 13:27, "Arsène Tungali" <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_-143004202114961004quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="m_-143004202114961004quoted-text"><div>Thanks for clarifying, Ayden. I was actually confusing both programs.<br></div><br>So to sum up (with my comment in bold),<br></div>1. The pilot community onboarding programme is working to provide new
volunteer talent with a faster entrance into the ICANN community, and is
being developed internally. <b>How far are we with this one</b>?<b> We may need to speed up this as well because new members are being added regularly and there is no time to waste.</b><br><br>2. This programme, administered externally by WBC Global, is intended to
support our involvement in ICANN’s various policy development processes. <b>I think this is the one Farzi was talking about, which is starting next year? i agree with you, Ayden that we need to take advantage of it and be cautious about what we can take or not.<br><br></b></div><b>Thanks for providing more clarity and/or updates.<br></b></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="m_-143004202114961004quoted-text"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>------------------------<br>*<b>Arsène Tungali</b>*<br></div>Co-Founder & Executive Director, <span><i><a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org" target="_blank">Rudi international</a></i>,</span><br>CEO,<i> <a href="http://www.smart-serv.info" target="_blank">Smart Services Sarl</a></i>, <i><a href="http://www.mabingwa-forum.com" target="_blank">Mabingwa Forum</a></i> <br>Tel: <a href="tel:+243%20993%20810%20967" value="+243993810967" target="_blank">+243 993810967</a><i><br></i></div><div>GPG: 523644A0<i><br></i></div><div><u>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</u><i><br><br></i></div><div><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" target="_blank">2015 Mandela Washington Felllow</a> (YALI) - <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors" target="_blank">ISOC IGF Ambassador</a><a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors" target="_blank"> </a><font face="monospace,monospace">- <br></font><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com" target="_blank">Blogger</a> - <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en" target="_blank">ICANN Fellow</a>.<i> </i><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/liza-bel/drc_b_8958150.html" target="_blank">The HuffingtonPost UK</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="m_-143004202114961004quoted-text">2016-12-23 12:32 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br></div><div class="m_-143004202114961004elided-text"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Thanks for sharing your views here, Arsène and Nadira. I am really glad we are having this discussion again, and hope that the EC will involve us in its discussions in the New Year over what level of involvement or organisational support we would like to receive. I just wanted to clarify, however, that this programme is separate to the pilot community onboarding programme, as I think the two are being conflated. The pilot community onboarding programme is working to provide new volunteer talent with a faster entrance into the ICANN community, and is being developed internally. This programme, administered externally by WBC Global, is intended to support our involvement in ICANN’s various policy development processes. What works for other constituencies and stakeholder groups may not work for us, but my understanding is that others are using this support now to aid in their policy work. Of course it would be unwise to think of this offer of assistance from ICANN as help without strings attached — we should think carefully about what support we are happy to accept, and how we can ensure we do not become inappropriately dependent upon it. But we do need additional support, and if we continue to decline the assistance of paid external consultants while others, already with more resources then us accept it, we may only exacerbate our disadvantages.<span class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div><a title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br></div></div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div></font></span><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818protonmail_quote"><span><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC participating in it?<br></div></span><div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690h5"><div>Local Time: 23 December 2016 9:31 AM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 23 December 2016 09:31<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>To: Nadira Alaraj <<a href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com" target="_blank">nadira.araj@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div>Ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Thanks Ayden for good memories.<br></div></div><div>I think Farzi has set a good timeline in her last message. Let's see what will be the outcomes of step 1, 2 as described and then decide whether worth implementing.<br></div><div><br></div></div><div>Nadira raises a good point. We may need to also dig what other constituencies have been able to do with such a pilot program and maybe build from their experience.<br></div></div><div>After all, any program that aims to help members be well equiped in policy disussion or research should be welcomed (of course after being checked). This should be the starting point to ensure new members are able to engage in ICANN work.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>------------------------<br></div><div>*<b>Arsène Tungali</b>*<br></div></div><div>Co-Founder & Executive Director, <span><i><a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org" target="_blank">Rudi international</a></i>,</span><br></div><div>CEO,<i> <a href="http://www.smart-serv.info" target="_blank">Smart Services Sarl</a></i>, <i><a href="http://www.mabingwa-forum.com" target="_blank">Mabingwa Forum</a></i> <br></div><div>Tel: <a href="tel:+243%20993%20810%20967" value="+243993810967" target="_blank">+243 993810967</a><i></i><br></div></div><div>GPG: 523644A0<i></i><br></div><div><u>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</u><i><br></i></div><div><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" target="_blank">2015 Mandela Washington Felllow</a> (YALI) - <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors" target="_blank">ISOC IGF Ambassador</a><a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/2015Ambassadors" target="_blank"> </a><span class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818font" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">- <br></span><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com" target="_blank">Blogger</a> - <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en" target="_blank">ICANN Fellow</a>.<i> </i><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/liza-bel/drc_b_8958150.html" target="_blank">The HuffingtonPost UK</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2016-12-23 0:06 GMT+02:00 Nadira Alaraj <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com" target="_blank">nadira.araj@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hi Ayden,<br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks to Farzaneh for considering the pilot program.<br></div><div dir="auto">To my understanding that constituencies didn't use their pilot program for policy research but to document an introduction for new commers in how to get engaged in the community.<br></div><div dir="auto">Until now didn't read any report about the outcome of its first round.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Worth checking,<br></div><div dir="auto">Nadira <br></div><div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818h5"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On 22 Dec 2016 14:41, "farzaneh badii" <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Ayden<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for bringing this up. <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Next year in January, we will do the following 1. Assessing whether we can participate in the pilot if renewed. 2. Coming up with our own ideas for receinving policy receving assistance. <br></div><div dir="auto">3. Implementation ( this might happen in Feb or March) <br></div></div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497elided-text"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On 22 Dec 2016 7:29 a.m., "Ayden Férdeline" <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Hi Farzi,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for this update and for sharing your perspective on this issue.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I am glad
to hear that the EC will re-evaluate whether or not we choose to participate in
this pilot programme. At my second ICANN meeting in Marrakech, I remember listening
to Kathy Kleiman brilliantly communicate to the Board that we needed to build our capacity to
absorb an increased, growing, and specialised workload. When this pilot
programme was announced, it felt to me like our calls had been heard and resources
were being offered to boost our participation in ICANN activities. Now it seems
like other, already-better resourced constituencies and stakeholder groups are benefiting from this
programme while we turned it down… do forgive me if I am oversimplifying things…
I just think a better path forward would be if participated in the pilot
programme and set our own parametres around what support we would
accept and what support we would find unsuitable. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div><a title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br></div></div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209protonmail_quote"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC participating in it?<br></div><div>Local Time: 22 December 2016 12:11 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 22 December 2016 12:11<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>To: matthew shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a>><br></div><div>NCUC-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto"><div>We didn't continue discussing it and in the end did not sign up for it for this time. I am now looking into if there will be another opportunity to sign up for it in the future. <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The EC has to decide on this, one way or another we are going to come up with ways to support policy research in the new year. (Even through other means but that's for next year) <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Just that you know my opinion about using such services: I do not see any problem as long as it is supervised and the researchers do not put in their own opinion in docs. But that's my personal opinion and need to discuss with EC. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On 22 Dec 2016 06:20, "matthew shears" <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>Didn't we reject this option when it was presented to us?
Unfortunately<br></p><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209elided-text"><div><br></div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209m_-8071552221949892781moz-cite-prefix">On 22/12/2016 11:19, James Gannon
wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209elided-text"><div><div><div><span class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Oh great point, I had
forgotten. Whats the status on this?</span><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div></div></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><span class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818colour" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818size" style="font-size:14px"><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt"><div><b>From: </b>Ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.nc<wbr>uc.org</a>>
on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br></div><div><b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden
Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br></div><div><b>Date: </b>Thursday 22
December 2016 at 11:01<br></div><div><b>To: </b>NCUC-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br></div><div><b>Subject: </b>[NCUC-DISCUSS]
WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC participating in it?<br></div></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Whatever happened to that ICANN pilot programme which was
to offer selected constituencies and stakeholder groups
assistance with policy research and document drafting? I
remember being told in Helsinki its launch was imminent,
and had an excellent discussion with a consultant from WBC
Global about it. Are there any updates?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209m_-8071552221949892781protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209m_-8071552221949892781protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div><a title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br></div></div><div class="m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209m_-8071552221949892781protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-143004202114961004m_5504778289284647690m_73169790025798818m_7254992166765736497m_375042038486576670m_4120222219488027209m_-8071552221949892781protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></span></span></span><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><pre>______________________________<wbr>_________________
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