[NCUC-DISCUSS] Staff Proposed Administrative Support

Sun Sep 29 20:30:39 CEST 2013

Thanks all,
I think we may have to wait to see what ICANN makes of the proposal, but
definitely I don't see them assenting to us managing the staff and its
better if the staff has a structured institution; it gives an element of
'security' for whoever occupies the post to put his/her best, while we
drive the 'vehicle' as co-pilot.

Regard

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Yes, for a while now. I am on CSISAC as well, I see what gets sent.
>
> I was just saying I did not consider it a useful model for this NCUC.
>
> avri
>
> On 29 Sep 2013, at 05:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > @Avri some clarification about CSISAC, that staff is playing a role of
> liaison with OECD secretariat to ensure a regular follow-up with them,
> managing the working document (because the confidential nature of),
> following the several meetings, supporting the expert volunteer, the
> steering committee  and he is a part-time not a full-time (and with
> decreasing funding). the membership and website update is still lacking but
> regular reports are sent to current membership in mailing list. yes many
> things to improve like individuals involvement , more membership
> engagement. the current model may not be fully functional but the mention
> is aimed to show the independence of stockholder group to manage itself
> from the organisation  like OECD
> >
> > we should be  list the admin task that a staff can do to support NCUC.
> and I don't buy the payroll argument because ICANN has already some
> consultants for some roles, and we can use such scheme to selected the
> person to be in charge .
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rafik
> >
> > 2013/9/29 Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
> > hi,
> >
> > In the bad old days, I used to very much against getting help form ICANN
> staff on such things.
> >
> > These days, the policy team has shown, what I consider to be an amazing
> ability to serve in a neutral and supportive manner.
> >
> > These is so much information etc to be organized and published on the
> web, things to be scheduled, meetings to be arranged etc. that 13 hours a
> month - ie. 2-4 hours a week could be very helpful all around.
> >
> > And I would be cautious before holding up the CSISAC model as of
> secretariat as a successful one.  This is a full time jobber who can't keep
> the web site updated.
> >
> > I suggest we get in line with our begging bowls and long faces.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> >
> > On 28 Sep 2013, at 11:19, William Drake wrote:
> >
> > > Another staff initiative of interest.  We should think about what we
> might want out of this if it proceeds.
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > >> From: William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com>
> > >> Subject: Staff Proposed Administrative Support
> > >> Date: September 8, 2013 12:27:17 PM GMT+02:00
> > >> To: EC NCUC <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
> > >>
> > >> Hi
> > >>
> > >> Further to my conversation with Rob: staff is contemplating a pilot
> program to help constituencies and SGs manage their operations by
> performing some administrative functions.  We talked about this a little at
> the NCPH meeting in LA in January.  Lots of constituencies, especially IPC
> and BC, and calling on ICANN to help them with secretariat support.  What's
> currently being discussed is a configuration like ICANN hires a dedicated
> staffer to support a SG and its component parts, so for ex NCSG, NPOC, and
> NCUC each get say 13 hours a month of help.
> > >>
> > >> Of course, I said that we'd prefer to select and manage the person
> ourselves; I mentioned the OECD CSISAC example.  He said sorry but the
> people will have to be ICANN staffers on the payroll, they can't provide
> funds for independents, but certainly the person would have to have our
> approval, ongoing trust and task management to be effective.
> > >>
> > >> Additional scenario: As we've been allocated funds for printing but
> it's unclear whether volunteer members will have the bandwidth to ensure
> the on time publication of professional looking issue briefs etc. per
> meeting, he said it's conceivable we could select a staffer with some
> substantive expertise (could even be a current NCSG member) who'd play the
> coordinating role to make sure the outputs are actually output.   We'd
> still have to write the content, but formatting it, dealing with the
> publications office, etc. could be given to such a person.
> > >>
> > >> Time line on this is unclear, somewhere after BA it becomes more of
> an issue.  In the meanwhile, we are asked to consider and specify precisely
> what sorts of tasks we might like a staffer to perform for us.  So please
> let's keep that item on our agendas as well and exchange ideas going
> forward.
> > >>
> > >> And yes of course, with regard to this and the regional outreach
> support, there's the issue of does this make community members dependent on
> and subservient to staff, are we all reduced to pigs fighting for the troth
> etc.   We can revisit this issue as we go...
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Bill
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> **********************************************************
> > >> William J. Drake
> > >> International Fellow & Lecturer
> > >>   Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> > >>   University of Zurich, Switzerland
> > >> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
> > >>   ICANN, www.ncuc.org
> > >> william.drake at uzh.ch (w), wjdrake at gmail.com (h),
> > >>   www.williamdrake.org
> > >> ***********************************************************
> > >>
> > >
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