<div dir="ltr">Thanks all,<div>I think we may have to wait to see what ICANN makes of the proposal, but definitely I don't see them assenting to us managing the staff and its better if the staff has a structured institution; it gives an element of 'security' for whoever occupies the post to put his/her best, while we drive the 'vehicle' as co-pilot.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regard</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Avri Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
Yes, for a while now. I am on CSISAC as well, I see what gets sent.<br>
<br>
I was just saying I did not consider it a useful model for this NCUC.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
avri<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On 29 Sep 2013, at 05:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> @Avri some clarification about CSISAC, that staff is playing a role of liaison with OECD secretariat to ensure a regular follow-up with them, managing the working document (because the confidential nature of), following the several meetings, supporting the expert volunteer, the steering committee and he is a part-time not a full-time (and with decreasing funding). the membership and website update is still lacking but regular reports are sent to current membership in mailing list. yes many things to improve like individuals involvement , more membership engagement. the current model may not be fully functional but the mention is aimed to show the independence of stockholder group to manage itself from the organisation like OECD<br>
><br>
> we should be list the admin task that a staff can do to support NCUC. and I don't buy the payroll argument because ICANN has already some consultants for some roles, and we can use such scheme to selected the person to be in charge .<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Rafik<br>
><br>
> 2013/9/29 Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>><br>
> hi,<br>
><br>
> In the bad old days, I used to very much against getting help form ICANN staff on such things.<br>
><br>
> These days, the policy team has shown, what I consider to be an amazing ability to serve in a neutral and supportive manner.<br>
><br>
> These is so much information etc to be organized and published on the web, things to be scheduled, meetings to be arranged etc. that 13 hours a month - ie. 2-4 hours a week could be very helpful all around.<br>
><br>
> And I would be cautious before holding up the CSISAC model as of secretariat as a successful one. This is a full time jobber who can't keep the web site updated.<br>
><br>
> I suggest we get in line with our begging bowls and long faces.<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 28 Sep 2013, at 11:19, William Drake wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Another staff initiative of interest. We should think about what we might want out of this if it proceeds.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best<br>
> ><br>
> > Bill<br>
> ><br>
> > Begin forwarded message:<br>
> ><br>
> >> From: William Drake <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >> Subject: Staff Proposed Administrative Support<br>
> >> Date: September 8, 2013 12:27:17 PM GMT+02:00<br>
> >> To: EC NCUC <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
> >><br>
> >> Hi<br>
> >><br>
> >> Further to my conversation with Rob: staff is contemplating a pilot program to help constituencies and SGs manage their operations by performing some administrative functions. We talked about this a little at the NCPH meeting in LA in January. Lots of constituencies, especially IPC and BC, and calling on ICANN to help them with secretariat support. What's currently being discussed is a configuration like ICANN hires a dedicated staffer to support a SG and its component parts, so for ex NCSG, NPOC, and NCUC each get say 13 hours a month of help.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Of course, I said that we'd prefer to select and manage the person ourselves; I mentioned the OECD CSISAC example. He said sorry but the people will have to be ICANN staffers on the payroll, they can't provide funds for independents, but certainly the person would have to have our approval, ongoing trust and task management to be effective.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Additional scenario: As we've been allocated funds for printing but it's unclear whether volunteer members will have the bandwidth to ensure the on time publication of professional looking issue briefs etc. per meeting, he said it's conceivable we could select a staffer with some substantive expertise (could even be a current NCSG member) who'd play the coordinating role to make sure the outputs are actually output. We'd still have to write the content, but formatting it, dealing with the publications office, etc. could be given to such a person.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Time line on this is unclear, somewhere after BA it becomes more of an issue. In the meanwhile, we are asked to consider and specify precisely what sorts of tasks we might like a staffer to perform for us. So please let's keep that item on our agendas as well and exchange ideas going forward.<br>
> >><br>
> >> And yes of course, with regard to this and the regional outreach support, there's the issue of does this make community members dependent on and subservient to staff, are we all reduced to pigs fighting for the troth etc. We can revisit this issue as we go...<br>
> >><br>
> >> Best,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Bill<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> **********************************************************<br>
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> >> International Fellow & Lecturer<br>
> >> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
> >> University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
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> >> <a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> (w), <a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a> (h),<br>
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