[NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Event News

[Edward Morris]

Hi Bill,

- Given the compressed timeline and the expressions of support here for a
workshop on closed generics, I hope you can roll with a rough consensus so
I can get this moving and have something to Glen in a couple days.

Of course. The people have spoken. As I said from the start, it should be
an interesting and well attended event.


> ICANN is a different matter. There we should be using programming to push
> our positions, purposeful education if you will.
>
> I guess I'm having trouble with the argument that a workshop on a topic
> where there's some internal differences of opinion is a bad thing (to me
> it's a counter to the BS stereotype we've lived with forever that
> noncommercial is somehow unduly monolithic in view, and more so than other
> SGs) or merely educational (it's a big debate).
>

We do disagree here. I'm coming in with fresh eyes, from largely a
nonacademic political background.

What I'm seeing (and I still am in my first year of membership, still
learning) is this rush to programming, to education. I don't see the IPC
running workshops at ICANN. I think the yearly policy conference is a great
idea. The ones that have been done to date have been first rate, truly
outreach oriented and I hope will be continued. For me, the one day Toronto
event, which I attended remotely, was far more valuable than the combined
value of the two IGF's I have attended. We have a great group of people to
do things like this.

There was a gentleman in our group who earlier in the year, though, got me
thinking. He told me he wanted to make sure the NCUC was not seen as the
programming arm of ICANN. He argued against events at every Meeting. At
first I disagreed then, I thought, he has a point. This isn't what we are
about. That man was Bill Drake.

To be clear, I think Wolfgang's idea of holding a pre-event at a campus in
Buenos Aires is fabulous. That is true outreach. Hopefully we can do a bit
of it in Spanish. I'm still questioning the value of the small workshops at
ICANN Meetings. For now, though, I realize I'm in the minority. So if you
need help setting up the chairs, plugging in the microphones...I'll be
there. One suggestion, though, is that we get our promotional flyers
produced pre Meeting. I still have visions of Milton two days before the
event in Beijing pleading with someone, anyone to get them produced. Also,
as we're trying to help the Board with their decision I'd suggest personal
invitation cards left for them at the hotel desk...nice touch, doubt it's
been tried before. Happy to produce if desired.




> >
> > To justify this by saying it's linked to our IGF presentation,,,that's
> the tail wagging the dog.
>
> ???  The point was it is something that is already sort of organized with
> text we can use, which matters since staff wanted the workshop proposal
> yesterday and has asked me again for it today.  We do not have a text
> describing a workshop on staff end runs around the MS process.  And since
> others appear to be ok with the alternative, a quick consensus to assemble
> one I can give Glen ASAP doesn't seem likely.
>
> I also remain exceedingly unconvinced that a workshop is the appropriate
> format to address the staff's rejection of the reconsideration request.
>  Workshops are about openly debating issues, perspectives, etc., with a
> panel and audience.  For something like that, I think I can talk staff into
> giving us a slot.  Workshops are not optimized for crowds with pitchforks
> going after the staff and board.  For that other formats would be better,
> e.g.:
>
>
The issue is dead but, to be clear, I wasn't proposing strictly a Recon
session. but one that covered the great array of issues attacking and
defeating this wonderful and revolutionary concept of MS governance.

As far as the Recon, pitchforks are not required. As you and Avri have
mentioned there are a number of options going forward. I've actually come
up with a few procedures buried in the archives that I'm not sure are still
valid. I spoke to a member of ICANN's fine legal department yesterday, she
wasn't sure but has promised to get back to me. Once she does I'll have
something up.

Thanks for all the work you're doing on this Bill.


Ed
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