[NCUC-DISCUSS] Durban Follow Up

Wed Jul 24 14:41:07 CEST 2013

Thank you, Anriette, for clarifying my rather quickly written remarks.  I
am sorry not to have attended the African School, as I only found out about
it when I had already my ticket, which had my arrival scheduled for after
the school was finished.

What I was suggesting is that having ICANN meetings in the widely disbursed
geographic locations gives an opportunity to look at the status of internet
development in those locations.  I was sorry not to have learned more about
Africa and the internet in the main ICANN meetings.  At the very least, the
booklet that came with our "ICANN branded bags" could have had a short
introduction about African bandwidth, etc.

The booklet that was published gave almost no information-- it is a slick
sales brochure without any substance about either ICANN or Africa or even
the conference, with one exception: the acronym translation pages (which
could have been done with less blank space and more information.) We were
also given a half pager with tiny (to my aging eyes!) print listing all the
meetings and workshops with absolutely no information except the title and
the room #.  Real participation requires that there be accessible
information.

I thought the collaboration of APC with NCUC to make the school was
wonderful.  Thank you!
DeeDee

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Thanks again to NCUC for your participation in and support of the
> African School on Internet Governance.
>
> Also thank you for giving those of us who were involved in the school an
> opportunity to talk more about it, and other African issues, during the
> NCUC meeting.
>
> In response to Dee Dee, I want to firstly clarify (for Dorothy) that Dee
> Dee was referring to the ICANN meeting, not to the African School on IG.
> Dee Dee was not part of the African School (although we would have
> welcomed her as we see it as an international school based in Africa).
>
> My understanding is that Dee Dee is saying that a missing element of the
> ICANN meeting was participation from African representatives "to learn
> about the history and status of internet access and use in Africa."
>
> I agree with her. Having a session on  the status of the internet in
> Africa would have added value to the ICANN meeting. It also seems to me
> that not everyone is clear on what the status is of ICANN's African
> strategy.
>
> But this was not a problem at the AfriSIG. We had extensive
> participation from African actors in IG, including Adiel from AfriNIC
> being with us for nearly 2 days in total. We had Pierre Dandjinou from
> ICANN, and Mike Jensen presented the early history of the internet in
> Africa. We also had other pioneers like Nnenna and Calvin Browne and
> Mark Elkins as well as people from the African Union Commission.
>
> Best
>
> Anriette
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 22/07/2013 16:02, Dorothy K. Gordon wrote:
> > Thanks for you feedback DeeDee, I will certainly try and see that this
> is addressed in next year's edition of the school. We can probably involve
> Afrinic and get a full paper written up.
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > Dorothy K. Gordon
> > Director-General
> > Ghana-India Kofi Annan Centre of Excellence in ICT
> > Mobile: 233 265005712
> > Direct Line: 233 302 683579
> > Website: www.aiti-kace.com.gh
> > Encrypt Everything - https://gpgtools.org https://silentcircle.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DeeDee Halleck" <deedeehalleck at gmail.com>
> > To: "Wolfgang Kleinwächter" <
> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
> > Cc: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
> > Sent: Monday, 22 July, 2013 1:37:58 PM GMT +00:00 Casablanca / Monrovia
> > Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Durban Follow Up
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you, Wolfgang. I too heard very positive response to the "African
> School". For me the missing element in the meeting was any active
> participation by African representatives. I wish there could have been a
> school for ICANN to learn about the history and status of internet access
> and use in Africa. The only substantial contribution was the all too short
> presentation by Nil Quaynor at the final public Board meeting in which he
> was chosen to celebrate the Mandela birthday. I would have like to learn
> more about the internet in Africa from its "father" Nil and others who are
> involved in the struggle for continental bandwidth and, yes, domain names.
> >
> >
> > DeeDee
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:01 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <
> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi everybody
> >
> > back home after a long journey I want to thank all NCUCrs for the great
> collaboration in Durban. It was one of the most succesful NCUC
> participation in an ICANN meeting. Here are some of my key observations:
> >
> > 1. NCUC had very good meetings with Board members, the two Co-Chairs of
> the GAC (for the first time) and members of ATRT 2 as well es EWG where we
> raised key issues, in particular Privacy, Freedom of Expression
> Competition, Policy vs. Implementation and the gaps in ICANNs practice of
> the multistakeholder model. We had very clear positions, inter alia to RAA
> (unified support for Article 29 WP letter), IGO/INGO WG, TMCH 50+ and
> Safeguards in new gTLD program. Our councillors made very constructive
> contributions with clear statements both during the two GNSO days and in
> the GNSO Council meeting. My impression is that the collaborative climate
> in the council with CSG and the Contracting House has improved. Good
> diplomacy! However, we still see that we get veryx often "verbal support"
> in the discussions which then is totally ignored if it comes to concrete
> decisions. We have flagged this and have it flagged again and again.
> >
> > 2. We had a very good constituency meeting. Brochure, Website, facts and
> figures made its way into the broader community and we are more visible
> than ever. Thanks Bill, Tapani and others for the hard day to day work.
> Probably the brochure is not only good for outreach but also for inreach. I
> had a discussion with Bruce Tonkin and he had no knowledge that NCUC has so
> many members. For him NCUC was a small group of some (critical)
> intellectuals. He was surprised that times have changed. And I am sure that
> a lot of other board members, ICANN staff and leaders are still have their
> outdated stereotypes ;-((((
> >
> > 3. The relationship with NPOC has substantially improved. In our joint
> meetings as NCSG we had unified positions. Marie Laure was a excellent
> proxy in the Council, This harmony came for some outsiders as a surprise
> and my impression was, that some people would have preferred to see more
> controversy in infighting within the NCSG, which fortunately did not take
> place. Unfortunately Alain was not in Durban. He is struggling with his
> illness and we all wished him well.
> >
> > 4. There was no formal discussion of the I*Plus Alliance project of NPOC
> members with NCUC but my impression was that the I*organisations themselves
> are rather sceptical. The idea is not bad, but the project looks very
> general and could be done probably by the I*organisations themselves
> better. It needs much more work to do if something should come our of this.
> In my eyes too late for Bali. And we could have better things on the agenda
> for BA.
> >
> > 5. The meeting with ALAC was quite good. Based on a critical comment
> from the consultations with the two GAC Vice Chairs ("as governments we are
> sometimes confused if we try to find out who represents civil society in
> ICANN") an idea emerged in Durban to think about the establishment of a
> "Civil Society Sector" within a reformed ICANN structure. Such a "Civil
> Society Sector" would allow the various CS bodies within ICANN (NCSG/NCUC,
> ALAC/RALOS, new emerging community based gTLD constituencies and others) to
> coordinate their positions to speak with one voice to the Board and the
> GAC. Such a sector (with a CS Coordination Committee/CSCC) could emerge on
> the "Road to London" where in June 2014 the second Internet Users Summit
> (ATLAS II) will take place. ALACs chair Olivier was very open to this
> project. We should continue the discussion in Bali and BA and be more
> active in the ATLAS WGs.
> >
> > 6. The planned CEO Round Table with CS leaders, orginally scheduled for
> end of June 2013, was again the subject of consultations with ICANN staff.
> The new idea is to have it in January 2014, probably in Istanbul. The
> meeting needs much more detailed preparations. And it should be integrated
> into the planning fo the "Road to London". It should be also linked to the
> work of the new five committees Fad has launched. NCUC has a lot of
> intellectual capacity to work closely with the new "Group of the Five".
> Another challenge with good opportunties for NCUC.
> >
> > 7. The African School on Internet Governance was seen as a great success
> in the whole ICANN community and NCUCs role was very recognized. This is an
> avenue where we can get a lot of more credits when we continue this
> (probably in Singapore next year for Asia). Similar succesful was the
> workshop on closed generics. Great!
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > wolfgang
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