Thick Whois WG Comments - with some proposed edits

[Carl Smith]

Thanks to all.  Glad to see the response.  You have my support.

Lou

On 1/14/2013 1:33 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
> Thanks, Amr.  FYI: It is the NCSG Policy Committee, which decides to 
> endorse statements on behalf of NCSG.  It would be great if the 
> NCSG-PC could agree to endorse this statement before the deadline (or 
> suggest any changes to it).
>
> Thanks again!
> Robin
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
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>> Thanks Kathy and Roy. If there are any more comments that members 
>> would like included, please post them today. The next Thick Whois WG 
>> call is scheduled for tomorrow at 15:00 UTC (right before the NCSG 
>> Policy meeting). We will need to submit our response to the WG prior 
>> to this call.
>>
>> It would also be great if NPOC could endorse the response, making it 
>> a response by NCSG instead of NCUC. As far as I know, NPOC has not 
>> submitted anything so far.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Amr
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Balleste, Roy wrote:
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>>> Hello!
>>> Kathy was kind enough to unify all responses so far, I have (with 
>>> her consent) unified mine with all others.
>>> Please find attached.
>>> *Roy Balleste, J.S.D.*
>>> *Professor of Law*
>>> *Law Library Director*
>>> *St. Thomas University*
>>> *16401 NW 37th Avenue*
>>> *Miami Gardens, FL 33054  USA*
>>> *1-305-623-2341*
>>> *From:*NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU]*On Behalf 
>>> Of*Kathy Kleiman
>>> *Sent:*Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:05 PM
>>> *To:*NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU 
>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>> *Subject:*[NCSG-Discuss] Thick Whois WG Comments - with some 
>>> proposed edits
>>>
>>>     *Hi All,*
>>>
>>> *Great thanks to Amr for the first draft of comments to the Thick 
>>> Whois PDP Working Group. As you know, the question on the table is 
>>> whether a “thick Whois model” – one in which all Whois data is held 
>>> and made available by the Registry (e.g., Verisign) and not the 
>>> Registrar – should be the model for all existing and all new gTLDs.*
>>> *For .COM, it's a huge issue. It is a “thin” registry, and 100 
>>> million+ Whois records are stored by the registrar pursuant to local 
>>> laws (including local privacy and free speech laws). Whether we can 
>>> convert these 100 million+ records to a single database – and 
>>> whether we want to – are questions for this group.*
>>>
>>>     *Further, the issue of “Whois” data, service and protocol are
>>>     all up in the air. If someday we reach agreement that this very
>>>     personal data – that can expose individuals and organizations to
>>>     threat for what they say and share online (including political,
>>>     religious and ethnic minority views and dissent, including
>>>     non-commercial activity) – should be private, then a single
>>>     centralized Registry Whois database creates a single point of
>>>     access. That means that should Registries be cozy with their
>>>     local governments, all of this data may be relinquished without
>>>     due process, or even subject to criminal laws that are
>>>     non-standard in the world (e.g., Syria, N.Korea, China).*
>>>
>>>     *The fact is that registrants know their registrars and it is to
>>>     their registrars that the Whois information is provided. Most
>>>     registrants will think they are protected under those rules.
>>>     Despite the fact that New gTLDs (for this round, at least)
>>>     require a centralized Whois – with the Registry – I remain
>>>     deeply concerned about the consolidation of the massive .COM
>>>     Whois (if it's even legal – see below) and the standard set for
>>>     all future registries and TLDs – regardless of their political,
>>>     social, or religious uses.*
>>>
>>> *
>>> If NPOC shares these concerns, I urge you to sign on – with thanks!
>>>
>>> Best,  Kathy Kleiman (veteran of far too many Whois task forces and 
>>> review teams...)
>>> p.s. All of Amr's comments kept, and I added on and filled in some 
>>> sections...*
>>> <Edits to Thick Whois PDP WG Initial Comments.2.doc>
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