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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks to all. Glad to see the
response. You have my support.<br>
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Lou<br>
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On 1/14/2013 1:33 PM, Robin Gross wrote:<br>
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Thanks, Amr. FYI: It is the NCSG Policy Committee, which decides
to endorse statements on behalf of NCSG. It would be great if the
NCSG-PC could agree to endorse this statement before the deadline
(or suggest any changes to it).
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<div>Thanks again!</div>
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<div>On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:</div>
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<div>Thanks Kathy and Roy. If there are any more comments
that members would like included, please post them today.
The next Thick Whois WG call is scheduled for tomorrow at
15:00 UTC (right before the NCSG Policy meeting). We will
need to submit our response to the WG prior to this call.</div>
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<div>It would also be great if NPOC could endorse the
response, making it a response by NCSG instead of NCUC. As
far as I know, NPOC has not submitted anything so far.</div>
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<div>Thanks.</div>
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<div>On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Balleste, Roy wrote:</div>
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<b>Subject:</b><span
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Thick Whois WG Comments - with some
proposed edits<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; ">Great thanks to Amr for the
first draft of comments to the Thick Whois
PDP Working Group. As you know, the question
on the table is whether a “thick Whois
model” – one in which all Whois data is held
and made available by the Registry (e.g.,
Verisign) and not the Registrar – should be
the model for all existing and all new
gTLDs.</span></b><o:p></o:p></div>
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sans-serif; ">For .COM, it's a huge issue.
It is a “thin” registry, and 100 million+
Whois records are stored by the registrar
pursuant to local laws (including local
privacy and free speech laws). Whether we
can convert these 100 million+ records to a
single database – and whether we want to –
are questions for this group.</span></b><o:p></o:p></div>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial, sans-serif; ">Further, the issue of
“Whois” data, service and protocol are all
up in the air. If someday we reach
agreement that this very personal data –
that can expose individuals and
organizations to threat for what they say
and share online (including political,
religious and ethnic minority views and
dissent, including non-commercial
activity) – should be private, then a
single centralized Registry Whois database
creates a single point of access. That
means that should Registries be cozy with
their local governments, all of this data
may be relinquished without due process,
or even subject to criminal laws that are
non-standard in the world (e.g., Syria,
N.Korea, China).</span></b><o:p></o:p></div>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial, sans-serif; ">The fact is that
registrants know their registrars and it
is to their registrars that the Whois
information is provided. Most registrants
will think they are protected under those
rules. Despite the fact that New gTLDs
(for this round, at least) require a
centralized Whois – with the Registry – I
remain deeply concerned about the
consolidation of the massive .COM Whois
(if it's even legal – see below) and the
standard set for all future registries and
TLDs – regardless of their political,
social, or religious uses.</span></b><o:p></o:p></div>
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If NPOC shares these concerns, I urge you to
sign on – with thanks!<br>
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Best, Kathy Kleiman (veteran of far too
many Whois task forces and review teams...)<br>
p.s. All of Amr's comments kept, and I added
on and filled in some sections...</span></b><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span><Edits to Thick Whois PDP WG Initial
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