[NCSG-Discuss] A Question

Kathy Kleiman kathy at KATHYKLEIMAN.COM
Mon Feb 11 18:00:40 CET 2013


A huge smile for Magaly who keeps everything in perspective... and keeps 
everyone smiling!
Tx Magaly :-),
Kathy

:
> People, please be relax... it is carnival and the Pope has resigned! 
> Let's celebrate!
> Websites, wikis etc. are always a working in progress... I am happy 
> that there are vonlunteers and icann staff working on that :-)
> Magaly
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org 
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>
>     cheers
>
>     avri
>
>     On 11 Feb 2013, at 00:03, Edward Morris wrote:
>
>     >
>     > Thanks for clarifying that Avri.
>     >
>     > I assume this was informal?
>
>     There was not vote on the issue if that is what you mean by formal.
>
>     >
>     > One of the best parts of transparency is everyone knows who made
>     what decision. That way displeasure or approval are directed at
>     the proper parties.
>     >
>
>     It was done on the NCSG-PC list, which has an open archive
>     <http://mailman.ipjustice.org/pipermail/pc-ncsg/> which everyone
>     in the world is free to peruse any time they wish.
>
>
>     > At NCUC we now know we can't count on the stability of our
>     confluence presence should our NCSG colleagues have a change of
>     heart. As such, we can act appropriately in redesigning our web
>     presence.
>     >
>
>     As far as i know, the NCUC has chosen NOT to use the confluence
>     wiki, whereas NCSG has, and it looks like NPOC has as well.
>
>     Other then making any references to the NCUC that are appropriate,
>     I see NO connection between the NCSG wiki and the NCUC wiki.
>
>     Certainly I think it will be useful to track any statements that
>     might come out of the NCUC or NPOC on the NCSG wiki and thus have
>     attempted to take that into the account in the tables I am
>     proposing for tracking the NCSG-PC's work.
>
>     But the NCUC should feel free to do whatever it pleases in terms
>     of establishing its own wiki.  I do not see why NCSG wiki
>     decisions have any bearing on that at all.
>
>     Also in terms of transparency, I think saying "look, look, what I
>     have done" covers that at least to some extent.  As for
>     accountability, the NCUC-EC that appointed me to the NCSG-PC, can
>     withdraw my appointment anytime it is displeased.  I think that is
>     how accountability in the NCSG works: you fire the bums. As one of
>     the NCUC Executives, it is in your power to initiate that process
>     should you feel I have transgressed against transparency or
>     accountability.
>
>     BTW, while we are asking questions based on my request for WG
>     participation info, are you participating in Working Groups, the
>     question that started this entire thread?  One of the interesting
>     things some of are discovering is that in the GNSO, in general, we
>     have more people in Constituency and Stakeholder boss roles than
>     we have in Working Groups - sort of an inverse pyramidical notion
>     of bottom-up.  In addition to finding out where NCSG people are
>     working on policy, i.e. the working groups, I am curious as to
>     what the NCSG ratio of bosses:workers is.
>
>     thanks
>
>     avri
>
>

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