[NCUC-DISCUSS] Welcome to the new NCUC-discuss list

Fri Apr 5 01:14:12 CEST 2013

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Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:

>Yes, thanks, Bill, this was a very interesting introducction. Maybe we
>should flag it for new members somewhere. gp
>
>Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>
>VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>Diplo Foundation
>Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
>www.diplomacy.edu/ig
>**
>**
>
>
>On 4 April 2013 05:36, Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this Bill! Alain
>>
>> On Thursday, April 4, 2013, William Drake wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I mentioned a few months ago on the NCSG-discuss list that we
>intended to
>>> create a new NCUC-discuss list so that members could communicate
>about
>>> matters of interest to the constituency without clogging up the
>stakeholder
>>> group list, which we of course share with our NPOC colleagues. 
>Well, after
>>> a lot of hard work on the part of new EC member Tapani Tarvainen
>with help
>>> from some folks from our e-platform team (most notably Brenden
>Kuerbis, but
>>> also Ed Morris and Wilson Abigaba, and Robin), we've now got an
>updated and
>>> more data rich NCUC membership list, and with that in hand Tapani's
>gone
>>> ahead and launched this new mailing list.  So many thanks to Tapani
>et al.
>>>  Just in time for Beijing, just one of the first batch of concrete
>>> deliverables from our new constituency building initiate….
>>>
>>> A few opening points.
>>>
>>> First, and to repeat, if you're receiving this message you're listed
>in
>>> our data base as a member of NCUC.  I hope you will choose to stay
>with us
>>> and just dump ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org mail into another folder
>to
>>> peruse when you want, I can't imagine the traffic load is going to
>be heavy
>>> and unmanageable.  But of course, if you don't want to be subscribed
>and
>>> keep up with what's happening in the constituency, you can drop out
>(or
>>> make any other settings changes) at
>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss.  If
>you're
>>> an NPOC member and not an NCUC member sorry for the mistake, please
>let us
>>> know and we'll straighten things out with our records. Conversely,
>we know
>>> there are NCUC members who are not subscribed to NCSG-discuss and
>hence
>>> won't be scooped up into this list either.   I hope they will one
>way or
>>> another become aware of the list and join post hoc.  All this stuff
>will
>>> get sorted out with time...
>>>
>>> Second, the shared/merged history of the lists created a little
>dilemma,
>>> how to allocate the institutional memory.  Sitting here in a Beijing
>hotel,
>>> I don't recall all the history I wasn't part of (Milton, Kathy
>Kleinman and
>>> others can fill it in if they like), but I guess the Non-Commercial
>Domain
>>> Name Holders Constituency (NCDNHC) was launched in 1999,  soon after
>>> ICANN's formation.  I'm not sure when they started using a mailing
>list,
>>> but Tapani had access to a NCDNHC-discuss archive from August 2001 -
>>> December 2002.  Then after a gap, the archive picks up in August
>2003 and
>>> the NCDNHC had become NCUC and the list was now NCUC-discuss. 
>Amidst the
>>> whole convoluted SG chartering transition the list became
>NCSG-NCUC-discuss
>>> in I believe May 2010, and then in July 2011 with the chartering
>complete
>>> the list became NCSG-discuss.  [some day we need to write up our own
>>> institutional history!…]  So since that time, we've had one list
>where
>>> everyone in the SG discussed together matters related to GNSO policy
>and
>>> beyond.  But there's been a big caveat, in that while NCUC had given
>up its
>>> mailing list to create the SG space, NPOC has always maintained its
>own
>>> mailing list to talk about organizational and policy matters in
>parallel.
>>>  So we had this odd situation where NCUC people had to communicate
>via the
>>> SG list and NPOC people were wondering why am I reading NCUC mail? 
>That's
>>> what we're remedying here.
>>>
>>> So back to the dilemma, what to do with archives.  Rather than
>>> artificially chopping and separating the NCDNHC-discuss and
>NCUC-discuss
>>> periods from the NCSG-NCUC-discuss and NCSG-discuss periods, we
>decided to
>>> simply leave the archives intact with mostly shared pasts but
>different
>>> futures.  So:
>>>
>>> *The NCSG-discuss list lives on a computer at Syracuse university,
>and
>>> the archive covers the period from August 2003 to present
>>> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=NCSG-DISCUSS.  All mail
>sent
>>> to NCSG-discuss will continue to accumulate there (whereas the other
>NCSG
>>> lists, e.g. for the EC and PC, are hosted by Robin).
>>>
>>> *The NCUC-discuss list lives on a Virtual Private Server NCUC has
>just
>>> contracted for, where we will be pulling together all the
>constituency's
>>> e-resources (the new function-specific Member Team listservs, the
>new
>>> website now in production, etc.)  The Archive will cover the period
>from
>>> August 2001 (includes the NCDNHC material) through the NCSG-discuss
>period
>>> to today, but henceforth NCUC-discuss and not NCSG-discuss
>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-discuss/2013-April/date.html. 
>So
>>> we fork from today.  I hope I got that right, I'm not a system
>>> administrator but it's what I understood from Tapani, who's en route
>to the
>>> airport.
>>>
>>> Third and finally is the question of what to use the list for.  This
>>> actually has been a subject of little controversy among some of us. 
>Some
>>> folks feel that pretty much any and all discussion of policy issues
>must
>>> happen on an integrated SG-wide basis, and hence on NCSG-discuss. 
>If we
>>> follow this route, then I suppose NCUC-discuss would be used largely
>for
>>> intraorganizational administrative items like constituency building,
>>> elections, etc.  (this also goes to the larger question of the role
>of the
>>> constituency in policy, and whether we should have a Policy
>Committee as
>>> our Bylaws say…we do not now)  Alternatively, NCUC could use its
>list in
>>> the way NPOC uses its, which seems to be for both
>intraorganizational and
>>> some policy discussion when needed to build internal consensus
>before
>>> taking things to the SG level to work out between constituencies.
>>>  Personally, my feeling is either is fine, the lists will find their
>>> natural equilibria through members' decisions and usage, and it'd be
>a bit
>>> much to try to police what members choose to say where and have to
>issue
>>> finger wagging reminders etc.  And either way, in Council we work
>and vote
>>> as a SG.  So I'd rather see how it goes than fret a lot at the front
>end,
>>> but if others feel differently, we can discuss this on Constituency
>Day,
>>> the new listserv is among the items on the agenda, as is the
>non-extant
>>> NCUC Policy Committee and our thus out of synch Bylaws.
>>>
>>> I think that's more than enough for now.  So, we have a new
>listserv,
>>> make of it what you will…
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***************************************************
>>> William J. Drake
>>> International Fellow & Lecturer
>>>   Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>>   University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>>   www.williamdrake.org
>>> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
>>>   ICANN, www.ncuc.org
>>> william.drake at uzh.ch
>>> ****************************************************
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
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