[NCUC-DISCUSS] Welcome to the new NCUC-discuss list

Thu Apr 4 13:30:45 CEST 2013

Yes, thanks, Bill, this was a very interesting introducction. Maybe we
should flag it for new members somewhere. gp

Ginger (Virginia) Paque

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On 4 April 2013 05:36, Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for this Bill! Alain
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2013, William Drake wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I mentioned a few months ago on the NCSG-discuss list that we intended to
>> create a new NCUC-discuss list so that members could communicate about
>> matters of interest to the constituency without clogging up the stakeholder
>> group list, which we of course share with our NPOC colleagues.  Well, after
>> a lot of hard work on the part of new EC member Tapani Tarvainen with help
>> from some folks from our e-platform team (most notably Brenden Kuerbis, but
>> also Ed Morris and Wilson Abigaba, and Robin), we've now got an updated and
>> more data rich NCUC membership list, and with that in hand Tapani's gone
>> ahead and launched this new mailing list.  So many thanks to Tapani et al.
>>  Just in time for Beijing, just one of the first batch of concrete
>> deliverables from our new constituency building initiate….
>>
>> A few opening points.
>>
>> First, and to repeat, if you're receiving this message you're listed in
>> our data base as a member of NCUC.  I hope you will choose to stay with us
>> and just dump ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org mail into another folder to
>> peruse when you want, I can't imagine the traffic load is going to be heavy
>> and unmanageable.  But of course, if you don't want to be subscribed and
>> keep up with what's happening in the constituency, you can drop out (or
>> make any other settings changes) at
>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss.  If you're
>> an NPOC member and not an NCUC member sorry for the mistake, please let us
>> know and we'll straighten things out with our records. Conversely, we know
>> there are NCUC members who are not subscribed to NCSG-discuss and hence
>> won't be scooped up into this list either.   I hope they will one way or
>> another become aware of the list and join post hoc.  All this stuff will
>> get sorted out with time...
>>
>> Second, the shared/merged history of the lists created a little dilemma,
>> how to allocate the institutional memory.  Sitting here in a Beijing hotel,
>> I don't recall all the history I wasn't part of (Milton, Kathy Kleinman and
>> others can fill it in if they like), but I guess the Non-Commercial Domain
>> Name Holders Constituency (NCDNHC) was launched in 1999,  soon after
>> ICANN's formation.  I'm not sure when they started using a mailing list,
>> but Tapani had access to a NCDNHC-discuss archive from August 2001 -
>> December 2002.  Then after a gap, the archive picks up in August 2003 and
>> the NCDNHC had become NCUC and the list was now NCUC-discuss.  Amidst the
>> whole convoluted SG chartering transition the list became NCSG-NCUC-discuss
>> in I believe May 2010, and then in July 2011 with the chartering complete
>> the list became NCSG-discuss.  [some day we need to write up our own
>> institutional history!…]  So since that time, we've had one list where
>> everyone in the SG discussed together matters related to GNSO policy and
>> beyond.  But there's been a big caveat, in that while NCUC had given up its
>> mailing list to create the SG space, NPOC has always maintained its own
>> mailing list to talk about organizational and policy matters in parallel.
>>  So we had this odd situation where NCUC people had to communicate via the
>> SG list and NPOC people were wondering why am I reading NCUC mail?  That's
>> what we're remedying here.
>>
>> So back to the dilemma, what to do with archives.  Rather than
>> artificially chopping and separating the NCDNHC-discuss and NCUC-discuss
>> periods from the NCSG-NCUC-discuss and NCSG-discuss periods, we decided to
>> simply leave the archives intact with mostly shared pasts but different
>> futures.  So:
>>
>> *The NCSG-discuss list lives on a computer at Syracuse university, and
>> the archive covers the period from August 2003 to present
>> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=NCSG-DISCUSS.  All mail sent
>> to NCSG-discuss will continue to accumulate there (whereas the other NCSG
>> lists, e.g. for the EC and PC, are hosted by Robin).
>>
>> *The NCUC-discuss list lives on a Virtual Private Server NCUC has just
>> contracted for, where we will be pulling together all the constituency's
>> e-resources (the new function-specific Member Team listservs, the new
>> website now in production, etc.)  The Archive will cover the period from
>> August 2001 (includes the NCDNHC material) through the NCSG-discuss period
>> to today, but henceforth NCUC-discuss and not NCSG-discuss
>> http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-discuss/2013-April/date.html.  So
>> we fork from today.  I hope I got that right, I'm not a system
>> administrator but it's what I understood from Tapani, who's en route to the
>> airport.
>>
>> Third and finally is the question of what to use the list for.  This
>> actually has been a subject of little controversy among some of us.  Some
>> folks feel that pretty much any and all discussion of policy issues must
>> happen on an integrated SG-wide basis, and hence on NCSG-discuss.  If we
>> follow this route, then I suppose NCUC-discuss would be used largely for
>> intraorganizational administrative items like constituency building,
>> elections, etc.  (this also goes to the larger question of the role of the
>> constituency in policy, and whether we should have a Policy Committee as
>> our Bylaws say…we do not now)  Alternatively, NCUC could use its list in
>> the way NPOC uses its, which seems to be for both intraorganizational and
>> some policy discussion when needed to build internal consensus before
>> taking things to the SG level to work out between constituencies.
>>  Personally, my feeling is either is fine, the lists will find their
>> natural equilibria through members' decisions and usage, and it'd be a bit
>> much to try to police what members choose to say where and have to issue
>> finger wagging reminders etc.  And either way, in Council we work and vote
>> as a SG.  So I'd rather see how it goes than fret a lot at the front end,
>> but if others feel differently, we can discuss this on Constituency Day,
>> the new listserv is among the items on the agenda, as is the non-extant
>> NCUC Policy Committee and our thus out of synch Bylaws.
>>
>> I think that's more than enough for now.  So, we have a new listserv,
>> make of it what you will…
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> ***************************************************
>> William J. Drake
>> International Fellow & Lecturer
>>   Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>   University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>   www.williamdrake.org
>> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
>>   ICANN, www.ncuc.org
>> william.drake at uzh.ch
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