[NCUC-DISCUSS] Welcome to the new NCUC-discuss list

Fri Apr 5 01:40:05 CEST 2013

Yes, thanks so much Bill, great to see this
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> Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Yes, thanks, Bill, this was a very interesting introducction. Maybe we
>>should flag it for new members somewhere. gp
>>
>>Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>
>>VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>>Diplo Foundation
>>Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
>>www.diplomacy.edu/ig
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>>**
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>>On 4 April 2013 05:36, Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for this Bill! Alain
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 4, 2013, William Drake wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> I mentioned a few months ago on the NCSG-discuss list that we
>>intended to
>>>> create a new NCUC-discuss list so that members could communicate
>>about
>>>> matters of interest to the constituency without clogging up the
>>stakeholder
>>>> group list, which we of course share with our NPOC colleagues.
>>Well, after
>>>> a lot of hard work on the part of new EC member Tapani Tarvainen
>>with help
>>>> from some folks from our e-platform team (most notably Brenden
>>Kuerbis, but
>>>> also Ed Morris and Wilson Abigaba, and Robin), we've now got an
>>updated and
>>>> more data rich NCUC membership list, and with that in hand Tapani's
>>gone
>>>> ahead and launched this new mailing list.  So many thanks to Tapani
>>et al.
>>>>  Just in time for Beijing, just one of the first batch of concrete
>>>> deliverables from our new constituency building initiate….
>>>>
>>>> A few opening points.
>>>>
>>>> First, and to repeat, if you're receiving this message you're listed
>>in
>>>> our data base as a member of NCUC.  I hope you will choose to stay
>>with us
>>>> and just dump ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org mail into another folder
>>to
>>>> peruse when you want, I can't imagine the traffic load is going to
>>be heavy
>>>> and unmanageable.  But of course, if you don't want to be subscribed
>>and
>>>> keep up with what's happening in the constituency, you can drop out
>>(or
>>>> make any other settings changes) at
>>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss.  If
>>you're
>>>> an NPOC member and not an NCUC member sorry for the mistake, please
>>let us
>>>> know and we'll straighten things out with our records. Conversely,
>>we know
>>>> there are NCUC members who are not subscribed to NCSG-discuss and
>>hence
>>>> won't be scooped up into this list either.   I hope they will one
>>way or
>>>> another become aware of the list and join post hoc.  All this stuff
>>will
>>>> get sorted out with time...
>>>>
>>>> Second, the shared/merged history of the lists created a little
>>dilemma,
>>>> how to allocate the institutional memory.  Sitting here in a Beijing
>>hotel,
>>>> I don't recall all the history I wasn't part of (Milton, Kathy
>>Kleinman and
>>>> others can fill it in if they like), but I guess the Non-Commercial
>>Domain
>>>> Name Holders Constituency (NCDNHC) was launched in 1999,  soon after
>>>> ICANN's formation.  I'm not sure when they started using a mailing
>>list,
>>>> but Tapani had access to a NCDNHC-discuss archive from August 2001 -
>>>> December 2002.  Then after a gap, the archive picks up in August
>>2003 and
>>>> the NCDNHC had become NCUC and the list was now NCUC-discuss.
>>Amidst the
>>>> whole convoluted SG chartering transition the list became
>>NCSG-NCUC-discuss
>>>> in I believe May 2010, and then in July 2011 with the chartering
>>complete
>>>> the list became NCSG-discuss.  [some day we need to write up our own
>>>> institutional history!…]  So since that time, we've had one list
>>where
>>>> everyone in the SG discussed together matters related to GNSO policy
>>and
>>>> beyond.  But there's been a big caveat, in that while NCUC had given
>>up its
>>>> mailing list to create the SG space, NPOC has always maintained its
>>own
>>>> mailing list to talk about organizational and policy matters in
>>parallel.
>>>>  So we had this odd situation where NCUC people had to communicate
>>via the
>>>> SG list and NPOC people were wondering why am I reading NCUC mail?
>>That's
>>>> what we're remedying here.
>>>>
>>>> So back to the dilemma, what to do with archives.  Rather than
>>>> artificially chopping and separating the NCDNHC-discuss and
>>NCUC-discuss
>>>> periods from the NCSG-NCUC-discuss and NCSG-discuss periods, we
>>decided to
>>>> simply leave the archives intact with mostly shared pasts but
>>different
>>>> futures.  So:
>>>>
>>>> *The NCSG-discuss list lives on a computer at Syracuse university,
>>and
>>>> the archive covers the period from August 2003 to present
>>>> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=NCSG-DISCUSS.  All mail
>>sent
>>>> to NCSG-discuss will continue to accumulate there (whereas the other
>>NCSG
>>>> lists, e.g. for the EC and PC, are hosted by Robin).
>>>>
>>>> *The NCUC-discuss list lives on a Virtual Private Server NCUC has
>>just
>>>> contracted for, where we will be pulling together all the
>>constituency's
>>>> e-resources (the new function-specific Member Team listservs, the
>>new
>>>> website now in production, etc.)  The Archive will cover the period
>>from
>>>> August 2001 (includes the NCDNHC material) through the NCSG-discuss
>>period
>>>> to today, but henceforth NCUC-discuss and not NCSG-discuss
>>>> http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-discuss/2013-April/date.html.
>>So
>>>> we fork from today.  I hope I got that right, I'm not a system
>>>> administrator but it's what I understood from Tapani, who's en route
>>to the
>>>> airport.
>>>>
>>>> Third and finally is the question of what to use the list for.  This
>>>> actually has been a subject of little controversy among some of us.
>>Some
>>>> folks feel that pretty much any and all discussion of policy issues
>>must
>>>> happen on an integrated SG-wide basis, and hence on NCSG-discuss.
>>If we
>>>> follow this route, then I suppose NCUC-discuss would be used largely
>>for
>>>> intraorganizational administrative items like constituency building,
>>>> elections, etc.  (this also goes to the larger question of the role
>>of the
>>>> constituency in policy, and whether we should have a Policy
>>Committee as
>>>> our Bylaws say…we do not now)  Alternatively, NCUC could use its
>>list in
>>>> the way NPOC uses its, which seems to be for both
>>intraorganizational and
>>>> some policy discussion when needed to build internal consensus
>>before
>>>> taking things to the SG level to work out between constituencies.
>>>>  Personally, my feeling is either is fine, the lists will find their
>>>> natural equilibria through members' decisions and usage, and it'd be
>>a bit
>>>> much to try to police what members choose to say where and have to
>>issue
>>>> finger wagging reminders etc.  And either way, in Council we work
>>and vote
>>>> as a SG.  So I'd rather see how it goes than fret a lot at the front
>>end,
>>>> but if others feel differently, we can discuss this on Constituency
>>Day,
>>>> the new listserv is among the items on the agenda, as is the
>>non-extant
>>>> NCUC Policy Committee and our thus out of synch Bylaws.
>>>>
>>>> I think that's more than enough for now.  So, we have a new
>>listserv,
>>>> make of it what you will…
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ***************************************************
>>>> William J. Drake
>>>> International Fellow & Lecturer
>>>>   Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>>>   University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>>>   www.williamdrake.org
>>>> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
>>>>   ICANN, www.ncuc.org
>>>> william.drake at uzh.ch
>>>> ****************************************************
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>>> --
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>>http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
>>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,
>>www.schulich.yorku.ca
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