Fwd: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection

Avri Doria avri at ACM.ORG
Tue Mar 13 21:39:39 CET 2012 

Yes, I was speaking in general of Portugal's support for the idea that there were  UN system and other organizations that merited the same treatment. This is what I associated to the NPOC proposal. Incidentally, like NPOC they support approving further IOC/RC special treatment as proposed in the various flavors of motion currently being discussed.  

I make no claim that Portugal and I support the same end result at this meeting.  It is only in the fourth part of my proposed response that there its any similarity with my proposal:

>Remember IOC & RC are already protected. Maximally protected. They do
>not need further protection.
>
>Defer the motion because it is illegitimate for the g-council to vote
>before the end of a comment period.
>
>Amend the motion to indicate that a change can only occur if the Board
>agrees to restart the application clock. To make such a substantive
>change to an ongoing process at this late date is fundamentally unfair
>to applicants, especially noncommercial applicants or community
>applicants.
>
>Support the idea brought up by both Portugal and NPOC that giving
>preferential treatment to these two without full consideration being
>given to the UN + 9 is prejudicial. If this its a serious concern for
>ICANN and the GNSO, then initiate a PDP process on reserved names.
>

Avri



Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

>Carlos, thanks for the clarification about Portugal.
>
>Alain
>
>
>On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
>wrote:
>
>> Alain, I am not sure Portugal made the same proposal as NPOC's.
>Portugal's
>> is quite detailed and treats separately the actual case of IOC and
>RC, and
>> the proposal to embed in the rules the treatment of these cases based
>on
>> the characteristics of well defined types of organizations instead of
>going
>> on a case by case basis.
>>
>> I will look for the transcript.
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>>
>> On 03/13/2012 02:06 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:
>>
>>> Robin,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the clarification and the sense of direction the NCSG
>needs to
>>> take. It is interesting that Portugal made the same proposal as
>NPOC. I
>>> think we need to engage on substantive ideas on how to go forward.
>The
>>> UN+9/10 may just be a acceptable outcome down the road... we just
>don't
>>> know. It would be interesting to dig into the Portugal proposal.
>>>
>>> Alain
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Robin Gross<robin at ipjustice.org> 
>wrote:
>>>
>>>  I have to disagree, Adam.  We need the community to engage in this
>issue
>>>> very much.   This proposal is a not a final text, but a starting
>point to
>>>> try to reach a compromise.  If it is "too late" for the community
>to
>>>> engage, it is because the RC/IOC came so late in the game.  I don't
>>>> believe
>>>> the bottom-up policy development process should be shoved aside
>because
>>>> of
>>>> AC/IOC's late request.
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Alain, hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggest it's a little late to be recommending such a fundamental
>>>>> change to the applicant proces. Not going to fly. So let's not
>waste
>>>>> our time on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Peake
>>>>> GLOCOM Tokyo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Alain Berranger
>>>>> <alain.berranger at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear NCSG Colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Jean-Louis Ecochard<jecochard at tnc.org>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:42 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection
>>>>>> To: Alain
>Berranger<alain.berranger@**gmail.com<alain.berranger at gmail.com>>,
>>>>>> "npoc-voice at icann.org"
>>>>>> <npoc-voice at icann.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alain,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Merci de votre proposition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the prime concern is the conversion of a known NGO domain
>name
>>>>>>
>>>>> into a
>>>>
>>>>> gTLD.
>>>>>> This is because a domain name is an NGO brand on the internet.
>>>>>> We also know that words like relief, cancer, heart, peace,
>nature, etc.
>>>>>> cannot receive trademark protection yet they represent essential
>>>>>>
>>>>> internet
>>>>
>>>>> brands of the NGOs they represent.
>>>>>> I believe ANY NGO with a strong internet brand presence would
>find it
>>>>>> disastrous to see their domain name converted into a gTLD (e.g.
>In our
>>>>>>
>>>>> case
>>>>
>>>>> of nature.org seeing a .nature gTLD).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Henceforth I recommend we propose protection of any .org  or
>>>>>>
>>>>> .org.country
>>>>
>>>>> domain name in active use by "Any organization operating globally
>in the
>>>>>> public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality in
>the
>>>>>>
>>>>> country
>>>>
>>>>> where its Headquarters are located, and its members." as of
>January 1
>>>>>>
>>>>> 2012.
>>>>
>>>>> This means that ICANN would prohibit the creation of a gTLD that
>is the
>>>>>>
>>>>> same
>>>>
>>>>> as a domain name of an NGO in use 1/1/12 and active.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This ensures protection of the capital invested by NGOs on their
>brand
>>>>>> presence without making it too complicated for ICANN to
>administer
>>>>>> (I.e.
>>>>>> Check for .org existence, check if own by  NGO).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I welcome thoughts and discussions on this extension of Alain's
>>>>>>
>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> be green – read on the screen
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jean-Louis Écochard
>>>>>> Vice President and Chief Information Officer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Nature Conservancy
>>>>>> New Zealand Office
>>>>>> 126D Apotu Road, RD1
>>>>>> Whangarei 0185
>>>>>> New Zealand
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jecochard at tnc.org
>>>>>> +1.703.212.3999 (New Zealand Office US dial)
>>>>>> +64.9.974.8195 (New Zealand Office)
>>>>>> +1.703.841.5342 (Arlington World Office Phone)
>>>>>> +1.703.273.0713 (Arlington World Office Fax)
>>>>>> +1.703.841.5304 (Executive Assistant, Jennifer Manaloto)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype jecochard
>>>>>> IM (MSN) jecochard at hotmail.com, (Yahoo&  AIM) jecochard at yahoo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Facebook jecochard
>>>>>> Twitter @jecochard
>>>>>> LinkedIn
>http://nz.linkedin.com/in/**jecochard<http://nz.linkedin.com/in/jecochard>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Nature Conservancy  www.nature.org
>>>>>> NetHope www.nethope.org
>>>>>> Conservation Commons www.conservationcommons.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "An individual without information can't take responsibility. An
>>>>>>
>>>>> individual
>>>>
>>>>> with information can't help but take responsibility."
>>>>>>  - Jan Carlzon, former President and CEO of the Scandinavian
>Airlines
>>>>>>
>>>>> Group
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Alain Berranger
>>>>>>
><alain.berranger at gmail.com<**mailto:alain.berranger at gmail.**com<alain.berranger at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:06:11 -0400
>>>>>> To:<npoc-voice at icann.org<**mailto:npoc-voice at icann.org>>
>>>>>> Subject: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear NPOC members:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings from San José. As Acting Vice Chair, I would like to
>consult
>>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>> on an important issue:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Context: Given the tension here on the IOC and Red Cross
>exemption
>>>>>>
>>>>> (some of
>>>>
>>>>> us call it protection) and the Drafting Committee Chair report to
>GNSO
>>>>>>
>>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>> morning - we find it wise, for the benefit of our current and
>future
>>>>>>
>>>>> NPOC
>>>>
>>>>> members, as well as the ICANN Community at large, that NPOC
>promotes and
>>>>>> supports a) the proposal from the WG and b), in a broader manner,
>the
>>>>>> generic extension of this protection based on avoiding the
>setting of a
>>>>>> precedent, and based on objective and independantly verifiable
>criteria
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> define who or who does not qualify:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proposition:
>>>>>> Would receive new gTLD protection: "Any organization operating
>globally
>>>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> the public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality
>in the
>>>>>> country where its Headquarters are located, and its members."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your attention to this important matter. Please
>respond
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> Tuesday 13 March 17:00 San José time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alain Berranger
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
>>>>>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
>>>>>> http://www.ceci.ca<
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-**ceci/team/board-of-directors/<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,
>>>>>>
>www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://**www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://www.schulich.yorku.ca>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,
>>>>>>
>www.gkpfoundation.org<http://**www.gkpfoundation.org<http://www.gkpfoundation.org>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation,
>>>>>>
>www.chasquinet.org<http://www.**chasquinet.org<http://www.chasquinet.org>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN,
>>>>>> http://npoc.org/
>>>>>> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
>>>>>> Skype: alain.berranger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
>>>>>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
>>>>>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,
>>>>>>
>>>>> www.schulich.yorku.ca
>>>>
>>>>> Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,
>www.gkpfoundation.org
>>>>>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
>>>>>> interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN,
>>>>>> http://npoc.org/
>>>>>> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
>>>>>> Skype: alain.berranger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>-- 
>Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
>Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
>http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,
>www.schulich.yorku.ca
>Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
>NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
>interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
>O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
>Skype: alain.berranger

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