[npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection

Tue Mar 13 21:53:50 CET 2012

Dear Friends

Just for clarification, the NPOC draft is not approving IOC/RC special 
treatment. What we want is  to move away from specific organizations and 
names to a very clear definition of a very small but at the same time very 
deserving special treatment.

Personally, I do not think that the IOC comes even near this and that we 
hope that we end up with something like UN +10  We should move the 
discussion from specific names to a particular group that can be clearly 
defined or decide that no protection is needed. The later seems to be the 
reasonable way, but at the same time not the realistic way.

Yours

Klaus

-----Original Message----- 
From: Avri Doria
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:39 PM
To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Fwd: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection

Yes, I was speaking in general of Portugal's support for the idea that there 
were  UN system and other organizations that merited the same treatment. 
This is what I associated to the NPOC proposal. Incidentally, like NPOC they 
support approving further IOC/RC special treatment as proposed in the 
various flavors of motion currently being discussed.

I make no claim that Portugal and I support the same end result at this 
meeting.  It is only in the fourth part of my proposed response that there 
its any similarity with my proposal:

>Remember IOC & RC are already protected. Maximally protected. They do
>not need further protection.
>
>Defer the motion because it is illegitimate for the g-council to vote
>before the end of a comment period.
>
>Amend the motion to indicate that a change can only occur if the Board
>agrees to restart the application clock. To make such a substantive
>change to an ongoing process at this late date is fundamentally unfair
>to applicants, especially noncommercial applicants or community
>applicants.
>
>Support the idea brought up by both Portugal and NPOC that giving
>preferential treatment to these two without full consideration being
>given to the UN + 9 is prejudicial. If this its a serious concern for
>ICANN and the GNSO, then initiate a PDP process on reserved names.
>

Avri

Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

>Carlos, thanks for the clarification about Portugal.
>
>Alain
>
>
>On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
>wrote:
>
>> Alain, I am not sure Portugal made the same proposal as NPOC's.
>Portugal's
>> is quite detailed and treats separately the actual case of IOC and
>RC, and
>> the proposal to embed in the rules the treatment of these cases based
>on
>> the characteristics of well defined types of organizations instead of
>going
>> on a case by case basis.
>>
>> I will look for the transcript.
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>>
>> On 03/13/2012 02:06 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:
>>
>>> Robin,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the clarification and the sense of direction the NCSG
>needs to
>>> take. It is interesting that Portugal made the same proposal as
>NPOC. I
>>> think we need to engage on substantive ideas on how to go forward.
>The
>>> UN+9/10 may just be a acceptable outcome down the road... we just
>don't
>>> know. It would be interesting to dig into the Portugal proposal.
>>>
>>> Alain
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Robin Gross<robin at ipjustice.org>
>wrote:
>>>
>>>  I have to disagree, Adam.  We need the community to engage in this
>issue
>>>> very much.   This proposal is a not a final text, but a starting
>point to
>>>> try to reach a compromise.  If it is "too late" for the community
>to
>>>> engage, it is because the RC/IOC came so late in the game.  I don't
>>>> believe
>>>> the bottom-up policy development process should be shoved aside
>because
>>>> of
>>>> AC/IOC's late request.
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Alain, hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggest it's a little late to be recommending such a fundamental
>>>>> change to the applicant proces. Not going to fly. So let's not
>waste
>>>>> our time on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Peake
>>>>> GLOCOM Tokyo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Alain Berranger
>>>>> <alain.berranger at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear NCSG Colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Jean-Louis Ecochard<jecochard at tnc.org>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:42 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection
>>>>>> To: Alain
>Berranger<alain.berranger@**gmail.com<alain.berranger at gmail.com>>,
>>>>>> "npoc-voice at icann.org"
>>>>>> <npoc-voice at icann.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alain,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Merci de votre proposition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the prime concern is the conversion of a known NGO domain
>name
>>>>>>
>>>>> into a
>>>>
>>>>> gTLD.
>>>>>> This is because a domain name is an NGO brand on the internet.
>>>>>> We also know that words like relief, cancer, heart, peace,
>nature, etc.
>>>>>> cannot receive trademark protection yet they represent essential
>>>>>>
>>>>> internet
>>>>
>>>>> brands of the NGOs they represent.
>>>>>> I believe ANY NGO with a strong internet brand presence would
>find it
>>>>>> disastrous to see their domain name converted into a gTLD (e.g.
>In our
>>>>>>
>>>>> case
>>>>
>>>>> of nature.org seeing a .nature gTLD).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Henceforth I recommend we propose protection of any .org  or
>>>>>>
>>>>> .org.country
>>>>
>>>>> domain name in active use by "Any organization operating globally
>in the
>>>>>> public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality in
>the
>>>>>>
>>>>> country
>>>>
>>>>> where its Headquarters are located, and its members." as of
>January 1
>>>>>>
>>>>> 2012.
>>>>
>>>>> This means that ICANN would prohibit the creation of a gTLD that
>is the
>>>>>>
>>>>> same
>>>>
>>>>> as a domain name of an NGO in use 1/1/12 and active.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This ensures protection of the capital invested by NGOs on their
>brand
>>>>>> presence without making it too complicated for ICANN to
>administer
>>>>>> (I.e.
>>>>>> Check for .org existence, check if own by  NGO).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I welcome thoughts and discussions on this extension of Alain's
>>>>>>
>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> be green – read on the screen
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jean-Louis Écochard
>>>>>> Vice President and Chief Information Officer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Nature Conservancy
>>>>>> New Zealand Office
>>>>>> 126D Apotu Road, RD1
>>>>>> Whangarei 0185
>>>>>> New Zealand
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jecochard at tnc.org
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Facebook jecochard
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>>>>>> LinkedIn
>http://nz.linkedin.com/in/**jecochard<http://nz.linkedin.com/in/jecochard>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Nature Conservancy  www.nature.org
>>>>>> NetHope www.nethope.org
>>>>>> Conservation Commons www.conservationcommons.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "An individual without information can't take responsibility. An
>>>>>>
>>>>> individual
>>>>
>>>>> with information can't help but take responsibility."
>>>>>>  - Jan Carlzon, former President and CEO of the Scandinavian
>Airlines
>>>>>>
>>>>> Group
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Alain Berranger
>>>>>>
><alain.berranger at gmail.com<**mailto:alain.berranger at gmail.**com<alain.berranger at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:06:11 -0400
>>>>>> To:<npoc-voice at icann.org<**mailto:npoc-voice at icann.org>>
>>>>>> Subject: [npoc-voice] NPOC Proposal for IOC-RC protection
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear NPOC members:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings from San José. As Acting Vice Chair, I would like to
>consult
>>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>> on an important issue:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Context: Given the tension here on the IOC and Red Cross
>exemption
>>>>>>
>>>>> (some of
>>>>
>>>>> us call it protection) and the Drafting Committee Chair report to
>GNSO
>>>>>>
>>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>> morning - we find it wise, for the benefit of our current and
>future
>>>>>>
>>>>> NPOC
>>>>
>>>>> members, as well as the ICANN Community at large, that NPOC
>promotes and
>>>>>> supports a) the proposal from the WG and b), in a broader manner,
>the
>>>>>> generic extension of this protection based on avoiding the
>setting of a
>>>>>> precedent, and based on objective and independantly verifiable
>criteria
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> define who or who does not qualify:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proposition:
>>>>>> Would receive new gTLD protection: "Any organization operating
>globally
>>>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> the public interest and enjoying International Legal Personality
>in the
>>>>>> country where its Headquarters are located, and its members."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your attention to this important matter. Please
>respond
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> Tuesday 13 March 17:00 San José time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alain Berranger
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
>>>>>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
>>>>>> http://www.ceci.ca<
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-**ceci/team/board-of-directors/<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,
>>>>>>
>www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://**www.schulich.yorku.ca<http://www.schulich.yorku.ca>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,
>>>>>>
>www.gkpfoundation.org<http://**www.gkpfoundation.org<http://www.gkpfoundation.org>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation,
>>>>>>
>www.chasquinet.org<http://www.**chasquinet.org<http://www.chasquinet.org>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN,
>>>>>> http://npoc.org/
>>>>>> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
>>>>>> Skype: alain.berranger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
>>>>>> Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
>>>>>> Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,
>>>>>>
>>>>> www.schulich.yorku.ca
>>>>
>>>>> Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation,
>www.gkpfoundation.org
>>>>>> NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
>>>>>> interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN,
>>>>>> http://npoc.org/
>>>>>> O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
>>>>>> Skype: alain.berranger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>-- 
>Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
>Member, Board of Directors, CECI,
>http://www.ceci.ca<http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/>
>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business,
>www.schulich.yorku.ca
>Trustee, Global Knowledge Partnership Foundation, www.gkpfoundation.org
>NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation, www.chasquinet.org
>interim Membership Committee Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
>O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
>Skype: alain.berranger 