[governance] ICANNLeaks - Loosing Trust to Maintain the Secrecy

[Mark Leiser]

As a bit of a politics junkie myself, I have to say I disagree with the
learned Professor Mueller's metaphor.

It is arguable that the US Capitol building is not home to one of the
world's "first democracies"; however, for arguments sake, lets say it is...

The question should be framed as follows, "if the Capitol building
collapses due to incompetent construction, and* *in the aftermath*, the
opportunity* presents itself to re-think the nature of democracy, then
should we? And if so, then what changes should we bring about?"

The same should apply to ICANN and what is going on now.


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On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:

> Hi Carlos
>
> Neither of us is saying it's not a big mess that won't have to be cleaned
> up.  Just that it's not obvious it requires a new round of organizational
> reinvention navel gazing at this particular juncture.
>
> But I'm glad you think do anything merrily!
>
> BD
>
> PS:  Please, Milton is not a political scientist, he just plays one.  We
> like states (not of nature).   He's actually a former art student gone bad,
> i.e. degree in communication.
>
> On Apr 21, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>
> > Wow, Milton, this is really amazing. This is not a simple
> > "implementation mistake". This involved serious breach of privacy of
> > expensive applications which are part of investment strategies by
> > business organizations in most cases. There is an obvious liability
> > issue here involved. It cannot be dismissed as just "a computer form
> > that did not work as expected", and cannot be left in the hands of the
> > same staff which caused the problem. And you are not a computer
> > scientist, you are a political scientist as far as I recall, which
> > surprises me even more.
> >
> > And Bill Drake merrily embarks on the dismissing argument, what is going
> > on with you people? :(
> >
> > --c.a.
> >
> > On 04/21/2012 03:54 AM, William Drake wrote:
> >> I agree.  The governance model has issues, but this is a separate
> >> matter.  We've just gone through the whole GNSO restructuring,
> >> ramping up the AoC process, etc.  ICANN doesn't need and probably
> >> couldn't handle another extended bout of navel-gazing debate about
> >> reinvention right now.  It needs to let the dust settle for awhile,
> >> get new leadership in place, get new gTLDs up and running, sort out
> >> IANA, advance the "internationalization" and outreach efforts, etc.
> >> Plenty on the plate already.
> >>
> >> I can't imagine that the business folks that are laying out big cash
> >> and maneuvering around new names aren't already screaming about the
> >> screw up, or that the management won't be compelled to explain what
> >> happened and assure everyone it hasn't skewed the application process
> >> for/against anyone.  If there's going to a joint request for info
> >> from SO/AC chairs or whatever, fine, but it's not obvious to me NCSG
> >> needs to spend a bunch of cycles on this unless folks are looking for
> >> something to do.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> On Apr 19, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am not sure I agree with the premise that an implementation
> >>> mistake by the staff constitutes grounds for completely reinventing
> >>> and rethinking ICANN. Can someone explain the logic of that to me?
> >>> For example, if the Capitol building of one of the world's first
> >>> democracies, e.g., the USA, had collapsed due to incompetent
> >>> construction, would it mean that we should re-think the nature of
> >>> democracy?
> >>>
> >>> I think they need to fix the mistake, fire those responsible, and
> >>> move on.
> >>>
> >>> The root of the problem, to my mind, is not the governance model
> >>> but, in this order: a) management problems; b) the rube
> >>> Goldberg-like complexity of the new TLD program, and c) the more
> >>> than a decade-long delay in accepting a policy, which means that we
> >>> are dealing with a sudden flood of 1000+ applications rather than a
> >>> steady trickle of 10 or so a year, and which, like b), is a product
> >>> of the intense politics swirling around the program.
> >>>
> >>> Remember that this has never been done before.
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ICANN needs to rethink and reorganize itself!
> >>>>
> >>
>
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