[ncdnhc-discuss] boundaries of IPR policy making

[Dave Crocker]

At 10:26 AM 5/13/2002 -0400, James Love wrote:
>   However, I think it is foolish to
>assume that this is the be-all and end-all of decision making, and certainly
>there are a lot of persons on this list with experience running
>organizations.  But look, if the ICANN staff wants to give Dave some
>official capacity in managing the reform process, fine.


Jamie,

You are the one who asked about the basis of "authority" that went into my 
comments.  I answered you.  At no time did my statements claim to be "the 
be-all and end-all".  I do, however, claim to be knowledgeable about 
matters of Internet-scale, open membership, collaborative process.  There 
is a considerable difference between that activity and generic "experience 
running organizations".

So, it would help if you put some effort into understanding my response and 
background, rather than seeking to trivialize, marginalize and distort 
it.  Very few people in these discussions have been doing Internet-scale 
online, collaborative specifications for 30 years.  Very few people have 
authored substantial numbers of such specifications. (The RFC authorship 
count appears to be 39, covering a rather large range of topics,; I also 
chaired a number of IETF working groups, and served as an Area Directory 
for four years.)  As to my ICANN experience, serving as editor the IAHC 
proposal represented a specific effort to forge a very difficult 
consensus.  For all of the emotional criticism of the IAHC work, folks will 
be amused to see how many of its details did, in fact, get implemented, 
albeit under different labels.

So, Jaime, please review <http://www.brandenburg.com> before you again 
pretend to be ignorant of -- and dismissive of -- the differences in our 
experience.

Better still:  it would be nice if you chose to focus on the content of the 
comments rather than constantly resorting to ad hominem lines of attack.

Best of all:

         Again, please note that YOU are the one proposing to make a change 
to ICANN's documents.

         Therefore the burden of justifying the need, and the efficacy of 
your proposal, falls on you.

         You appear intent on avoiding that responsibility.

It is not reasonable or appropriate for someone to say that a change is 
needed, fail to offer justification or specificity, and then claim that the 
burden of effort is with the people objecting to the change.

d/
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