[ncdnhc-discuss] clarification (sort of) on ICANNatlarge.com and other ICANN "at-large" things

[James Love]

Erick Iriarte Ahon wrote:
> Nobody have the global voice of users, and each region have differents 
> ways to defend their positions. The Internet is not only in the US 
> Congress, and not only the "American User Organizations" defend to all 
> users .

Erick, you are free to choose to support organizations that treat you like a 
PR focus group, and never grant you any voting rights in anything.   Yes of 
course.  Send a donation to Esther, by all means.

However, I don't see how you refer to ICANNatlarge.com as a "American User" 
organization.  Right now it only has 1 US board member, out of 7.  Joop runs 
the web page, and Thomas Roessler runs the listsevers.  And what does any of 
this have to do with the US Congress?  I was not aware that democracy was a 
US only thing.  Indeed, I don't think it is a US only thing.

   Jamie


> 
> Maybe the ICANNatlarge.com is a possibility to coordinate efforts to 
> make a better ICANN and better Internet, but we need all point-of-view, 
> and if appear more organizations: welcome.. not all groups defend users, 
> another use users to take political positions.
> 
> Erick Iriarte Ahon
> 
> 
> At 02:31 p.m. 18/07/2002 +0200, Alexander Svensson wrote:
> 
>> Just a few comments:
>>
>> At 18.07.2002 07:10, James Love wrote:
>> >4.   A few days after the ICANNatlarge.com election Esther and Denise
>> >announced that there would be yet another ICANN sponsored effort, 
>> this one
>> >using at-large.org, a site first registered to Kent Crispin.   The new
>> >"at-large" effort appeared to be run by Esther and Denise.  The 
>> Esther and
>> >Denise effort created a new "At Large Organizing Committee"  made up of
>> >people who represent organizations, with a few dozen members.   There 
>> is no
>> >evidence that this group actually meets, votes, makes decisions or 
>> does much
>> >more than appear on a web page, but it has a lot of nice well meaning 
>> people
>> >involved.  http://www.at-large.org/at-large-members.htm. In Bucharest
>> >Esther and Denise explained that this group would not have votes, but 
>> would
>> >find ways to learn what the public thought... it was sort of an 
>> outreach or
>> >focus group for public input, but one basically managed top down, rather
>> >than bottom up, and in keeping with the deep hostility of the ICANN 
>> board to
>> >anything remotely democratic, it did not even insist on the right to 
>> elect
>> >its own leaders, which seemed to allow Esther and Densie to run it 
>> however
>> >they like, without any need to explain "why them?"
>>
>> You are (mis)portraying ICANNatlarge.com and the ALOC as two
>> competing entities. In fact, ICANNatlarge.com is represented
>> /on/ the ALOC. But I'm not trying to defend what the ALOC does
>> or doesn't do: The point is that I believe it would be a bad
>> idea if user organizations started to fight against each other
>> to become the Single Authoritative Voice of the Users. I
>> believe we need an interface between a multitude of user
>> organizations and ICANN. And someone has to reach out to
>> user organizations worldwide (which is what Denise Michel is
>> doing). Of course, that interface must be composed of and
>> elected by user organizations in the end.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> /// Alexander
>>
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