[ncdnhc-discuss] clarification (sort of) on ICANNatlarge.com and other ICANN "at-large" things

Erick Iriarte Ahon faia at amauta.rcp.net.pe
Thu Jul 18 17:27:44 CEST 2002

On of the principles of the democracy is the diversity of opinion, and 
liberty to make asociations. In this way i support the Alexander idea, of 
diversity of organizations.

Nobody have the global voice of users, and each region have differents ways 
to defend their positions. The Internet is not only in the US Congress, and 
not only the "American User Organizations" defend to all users .

Maybe the ICANNatlarge.com is a possibility to coordinate efforts to make a 
better ICANN and better Internet, but we need all point-of-view, and if 
appear more organizations: welcome.. not all groups defend users, another 
use users to take political positions.

Erick Iriarte Ahon

At 02:31 p.m. 18/07/2002 +0200, Alexander Svensson wrote:

>Just a few comments:
>At 18.07.2002 07:10, James Love wrote:
> >4.   A few days after the ICANNatlarge.com election Esther and Denise
> >announced that there would be yet another ICANN sponsored effort, this one
> >using at-large.org, a site first registered to Kent Crispin.   The new
> >"at-large" effort appeared to be run by Esther and Denise.  The Esther and
> >Denise effort created a new "At Large Organizing Committee"  made up of
> >people who represent organizations, with a few dozen members.   There is no
> >evidence that this group actually meets, votes, makes decisions or does much
> >more than appear on a web page, but it has a lot of nice well meaning people
> >involved.  http://www.at-large.org/at-large-members.htm. In Bucharest
> >Esther and Denise explained that this group would not have votes, but would
> >find ways to learn what the public thought... it was sort of an outreach or
> >focus group for public input, but one basically managed top down, rather
> >than bottom up, and in keeping with the deep hostility of the ICANN board to
> >anything remotely democratic, it did not even insist on the right to elect
> >its own leaders, which seemed to allow Esther and Densie to run it however
> >they like, without any need to explain "why them?"
>You are (mis)portraying ICANNatlarge.com and the ALOC as two
>competing entities. In fact, ICANNatlarge.com is represented
>/on/ the ALOC. But I'm not trying to defend what the ALOC does
>or doesn't do: The point is that I believe it would be a bad
>idea if user organizations started to fight against each other
>to become the Single Authoritative Voice of the Users. I
>believe we need an interface between a multitude of user
>organizations and ICANN. And someone has to reach out to
>user organizations worldwide (which is what Denise Michel is
>doing). Of course, that interface must be composed of and
>elected by user organizations in the end.
>Best regards,
>/// Alexander
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