[ncdnhc-discuss] INVOICES.

Tue Jan 29 14:10:36 CET 2002

Hi Norbert,
See my comments below:
Dany
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Norbert Klein wrote:
> 
> Thanks for bringing some more light into the mystery.
> 
> We talk a lot in ICANN etc. about the fact that there are people in this world
> who do not have broadband access, and some of them (especially in countries
> where the Internet is in the early stages of development) have to pay high
> dial-up fees. A recent ITU report said that Cambodia has the highest
> communication fees in the region.
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I am always ready to send by e-mail the ascii content of web pages for
those members having difficulties to use the web, upon request. I am not
willing to duplicate the web on smtp in a systematic way, since
mailboxes are already enough saturated.
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> 
> And then ICANN sends out a 3 MB file for billing - this should never be done
> again, if it really happened.
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Agree, but the constituency adcom was even not informed of how the
invoices will be generated and mailed.
To be frank, ICANN was not able to transfer all invoices on a ftp server
I openned for them, nor able to send me the individuals invoices.
Furthermore, make a pdf from the optical scans is certainly the most
inefficient way to do the job, not only in MB, but also in humean time.
However, we do not have, today, serious alternatives to manage the
constituency accounting, other than ICANN.
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> 
> For whatever reason, I did not get it.
> 
> Now I went to see what is on
> http://www.ncdnhc.org/docs/membership-fee/2001-list.html
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Updated this morning from a mail received from ICANN staff
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> 
> Open Forum of Cambodia $25 paid (in Marina del Rey) and a difference of $25
> against the invoice (which I never got). I paid $25 assuming that this was the
> amount required from the Open Forum of Cambodia, a very small organization.
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In http://198.6.250.8/docs/resolution/Stockholm/ST-MUELLER-1.html,
the Stockholm resolution clearly states $50.00 for small organisation
and $300.00 for large ones
with the following exception:
"For small organizations in the countries with an annual Gross Domestic
Product per capita below US$10,000 as of 2000 (source: CIA World
Factbook), the annual membership fee will be US$25"
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> 
> I never even got a receipt for the $25 actually in cash - but I am now happy to
> see that they were booked.
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I guess that, after the collection will be closed, we will ask ICANN
staff to send a receipt to all contributing members. No way to force
them to do it, if they don't want.
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> 
> Something is VERY WRONG in the way this matter is handled (I say so without
> blaming anybody specifically - except for sending 3 MB files) - if we are on
> the one hand faced with the question of losing our voting rights because NCDNHC
> is not paying, and on the other we have people clamoring to get billed and to
> get information where and how to send money.
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The adcom tries to be as responsive as possible and answers all
questions, when they are asked. 

The whole erratic process comes from the constituency not able to manage
this autonomously.
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> 
> Any comments or suggestions?
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Suggestions to provide the constituency with its own administrative
resources were made two years ago, but was turned down by members,
because any work costs something.
We are getting from ICANN something for free!

Dany
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> Norbert Klein
> Open Forum of Cambodia
> Phnom Penh/Cambodia
> 
> ==
> 
> Marc Schneiders wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, at 10:13 [=GMT-0800], Kent Crispin wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 10:22:59AM -0300, Raul Echeberria wrote:
> > > > At 21:35 20/01/02 +0100, Marc Schneiders wrote:
> > > > >On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, at 20:56 [=GMT+0100], Dany Vandromme wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You will find an update of the fee collection at:
> > > > > > http://www.ncdnhc.org/docs/membership-fee/2001-list.html
> > > > >
> > > > >I would very much like to pay too. But despite 6 emails, I still have
> > > > >neither received an invoice, nor the URL where I can pay by credit
> > > > >card. Given the small number of those who are listed as having paid, I
> > > > >would not be surprised if the same is true for other organizations.
> > > >
> > > > I didn't received the invoice either.
> > >
> > > The invoices were sent by email, from Mike Haynes <haynes at icann.org>
> > > It's possible that people might have missed messages coming from "Mike
> > > Haynes", since they wouldn't know who that was.  Also, the invoice was
> > > an enormous (3M) pdf file...
> >
> > Thank you that explains it. The one to me was refused then. I tell
> > sendmail that we want only 200K, which is already too much. I guess many
> > ISPs have similar (if higher) limits. In any case, sendmail then generates
> > a message to sender telling the file is too big. So Mike could have taken
> > action...
> >
> > --
> > Marc at Schneiders.ORG
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.icann-ncc.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
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