[ncdnhc-discuss] INVOICES.

J. William Semich bill at mail.nic.nu
Tue Jan 29 14:38:47 CET 2002 

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Bill Semich
Internet Users Society - Niue


At 02:10 PM 1/29/02 +0100, Dany Vandromme wrote:
>Hi Norbert,
>See my comments below:
>Dany
>==================================================================
>
>Norbert Klein wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for bringing some more light into the mystery.
> >
> > We talk a lot in ICANN etc. about the fact that there are people in 
> this world
> > who do not have broadband access, and some of them (especially in countries
> > where the Internet is in the early stages of development) have to pay high
> > dial-up fees. A recent ITU report said that Cambodia has the highest
> > communication fees in the region.
>-
>I am always ready to send by e-mail the ascii content of web pages for
>those members having difficulties to use the web, upon request. I am not
>willing to duplicate the web on smtp in a systematic way, since
>mailboxes are already enough saturated.
>-
> >
> > And then ICANN sends out a 3 MB file for billing - this should never be 
> done
> > again, if it really happened.
>-
>Agree, but the constituency adcom was even not informed of how the
>invoices will be generated and mailed.
>To be frank, ICANN was not able to transfer all invoices on a ftp server
>I openned for them, nor able to send me the individuals invoices.
>Furthermore, make a pdf from the optical scans is certainly the most
>inefficient way to do the job, not only in MB, but also in humean time.
>However, we do not have, today, serious alternatives to manage the
>constituency accounting, other than ICANN.
>-
> >
> > For whatever reason, I did not get it.
> >
> > Now I went to see what is on
> > http://www.ncdnhc.org/docs/membership-fee/2001-list.html
>-
>Updated this morning from a mail received from ICANN staff
>-
> >
> > Open Forum of Cambodia $25 paid (in Marina del Rey) and a difference of $25
> > against the invoice (which I never got). I paid $25 assuming that this 
> was the
> > amount required from the Open Forum of Cambodia, a very small organization.
>-
>In http://198.6.250.8/docs/resolution/Stockholm/ST-MUELLER-1.html,
>the Stockholm resolution clearly states $50.00 for small organisation
>and $300.00 for large ones
>with the following exception:
>"For small organizations in the countries with an annual Gross Domestic
>Product per capita below US$10,000 as of 2000 (source: CIA World
>Factbook), the annual membership fee will be US$25"
>-
> >
> > I never even got a receipt for the $25 actually in cash - but I am now 
> happy to
> > see that they were booked.
>-
>I guess that, after the collection will be closed, we will ask ICANN
>staff to send a receipt to all contributing members. No way to force
>them to do it, if they don't want.
>-
> >
> > Something is VERY WRONG in the way this matter is handled (I say so without
> > blaming anybody specifically - except for sending 3 MB files) - if we 
> are on
> > the one hand faced with the question of losing our voting rights 
> because NCDNHC
> > is not paying, and on the other we have people clamoring to get billed 
> and to
> > get information where and how to send money.
>-
>The adcom tries to be as responsive as possible and answers all
>questions, when they are asked.
>
>The whole erratic process comes from the constituency not able to manage
>this autonomously.
>-
> >
> > Any comments or suggestions?
>-
>Suggestions to provide the constituency with its own administrative
>resources were made two years ago, but was turned down by members,
>because any work costs something.
>We are getting from ICANN something for free!
>
>Dany
>-
> >
> > Norbert Klein
> > Open Forum of Cambodia
> > Phnom Penh/Cambodia
> >
> > ==
> >
> > Marc Schneiders wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, at 10:13 [=GMT-0800], Kent Crispin wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 10:22:59AM -0300, Raul Echeberria wrote:
> > > > > At 21:35 20/01/02 +0100, Marc Schneiders wrote:
> > > > > >On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, at 20:56 [=GMT+0100], Dany Vandromme wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You will find an update of the fee collection at:
> > > > > > > http://www.ncdnhc.org/docs/membership-fee/2001-list.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I would very much like to pay too. But despite 6 emails, I still 
> have
> > > > > >neither received an invoice, nor the URL where I can pay by credit
> > > > > >card. Given the small number of those who are listed as having 
> paid, I
> > > > > >would not be surprised if the same is true for other organizations.
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't received the invoice either.
> > > >
> > > > The invoices were sent by email, from Mike Haynes <haynes at icann.org>
> > > > It's possible that people might have missed messages coming from "Mike
> > > > Haynes", since they wouldn't know who that was.  Also, the invoice was
> > > > an enormous (3M) pdf file...
> > >
> > > Thank you that explains it. The one to me was refused then. I tell
> > > sendmail that we want only 200K, which is already too much. I guess many
> > > ISPs have similar (if higher) limits. In any case, sendmail then 
> generates
> > > a message to sender telling the file is too big. So Mike could have taken
> > > action...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marc at Schneiders.ORG
> > >
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