[ncdnhc-discuss] Re: Why is "Marketing ccTLDs as generics" onNC Agenda?

[Milton Mueller]

OK, sorry again, there is a great deal of confusion about 
what issue you are addressing. 

So, Jon Weinberg is right, you want to criticize New.net?
Is that what you are proposing to do? I thought you were
criticizing new TLDs such as .KIDS (I remember in Marina
del Rey last year you had a resolution against .KIDs,
which was voted down). 

In discussion of these new TLDs, you cannot ignore the
simple fact that it is ICANN's delays and high costs 
that is the root cause of these efforts.
All of these "alternative" TLDs have applied to ICANN
for authority, all of them are perfectly capable of 
running a registry (indeed, New.net seems more competent
than ICANN and Afilias), and yet all of them have been
blocked by ICANN. 

Of course they are trying to go around ICANN.

So my question to you, Vany, is: why are you questioning 
these companies tryring to start new TLDs? Why don't
you question why ICANN blocks the market for so long?

>>> Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales <vany at sdnp.org.pa> 10/04/01 03:02PM >>>
Milton:

1.  Two months ago I brought into the attention of the NC this issue (TLDs
not created by ICANN as .TRAVEL .KIDS, .GAMES...)
2.  Never I had received an answer about it in the NC list, however I have
received personal answers from members of different constituencies, but
because they are personal, then I don't publish them.
3.  This subject never was discussed neither put into a votation neither
have relationship with the resolution that NCDNHC passed f2f in
Montevideo.

So please, Milton, stop confusing people!

The idea, is that if the NC finds that is a subject important for them,
then make the proper consultation to their constituencies to make a
position statement, if not...then, I made my try.  And let me remember you
that when I brought into the attention of NC this issue, I made it as a
personal concern and exposed the possible sectors affected according to my
view

Best Regards
Vany
:-)

On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Milton Mueller wrote:

> Vany never consulted the constituency about adding
> this to the agenda, either. Indeed, since the f2f meeting
> passed a resolution directly opposed to her position,
> I think this should be withdrawn and Vany should seek
> guidance from the constituency as a whole.
>
> >>> vany_martinez at yahoo.com 10/04/01 09:41AM >>>
> Hi William:
>
> The title of the agenda was a misunderstanding of
> Philip about the subject I want to talk about.
>
> The changes will be posted soon.
>
> The title of such agenda item will be:
>
> "TLDs not created by ICANN: an attempt to expand the
> domain name space or creates confusion."
>
> As you may know, there are some companies that are
> marketing TLDs as .TRAVEL, . GAMES, .KIDS, etc, and
> what they really do is to masquerade an actual domain
> in order to resolve domains under such TLDs.  This
> means that only the users that has the proper software
> or the users under an ISP that has setted up their
> networks to resolve such domain names, will be able to
> resolve such names.
>
> This affects all sectors in some way of another...What
> the NCDNHC will do if an organization applies to be a
> member of the NCDNCH and when we ask them what is your
> domain, they answer something like:
> myorganization.NGO ?
> How can we protect the rights of the non-commercial
> sector that is ignorant of what's going on.
>
> Perhaps, there are others that have more authority
> than me to talk about ccTLDs marketed as gTLDs.  I
> must say that those who was in Montevideo listened the
> exposition of concerns about such issue by .BIZ in
> relation with .BZ.   I don't know if they want to talk
> about this issue again in the teleconference.
>
> Hope this clarifies.
>
> Best Regards
> Vany
>
>
>
> --- "J. William Semich" <bill at mail.nic.nu> wrote:
> > Hello;
> >
> > Perhaps I missed the discussion on the Noncommercial
> > Constituency
> > (NCC)  list of the following proposed NC agenda item
> > for the teleconference
> > on Oct 11:
> >
> > " 8. Marketing ccTLDs as generics - Vany (10 mins)"
> >
> > But I would expect that if Vany is discussing this
> > issue, the members of
> > the NCC have requested it. Can someone please point
> > me to a place where the
> > discussion of this topic is archived, or otherwise
> > explain the purpose of
> > the NCC putting this on the NC meeting's agenda? In
> > other words, what's it
> > all about?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill Semich
> > President
> > Internet Users Society - Niue
> > .NU Domain
> > www.niue.nu 
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales
> Information Technology Specialist
> Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
> http://www.sdnp.org.pa e-mail: vany at sdnp.org.pa 
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Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales
IT Specialist
Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
Tel: (507) 230-4011 ext 213
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