[ncdnhc-discuss] Re: ultimate change in the resolution editing

Fri Dec 14 01:43:56 CET 2001

ICANN appears to have very little to do with "technical matters".
ICANN appears to be focused on deciding who has money and
who does not (i.e. accredidation).

It all boils down to fairness.
Which list do you think is more fair ?
The "toy" IPv4 Internet Early Experimentation Allocations ?
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
or
The Proof-of-Concept IPv8 Allocations ?
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt

Why would people pay for Address Space, when it is FREE ?

Jim Fleming
http://www.DOT-BIZ.com
http://www.in-addr.info
3:219 INFO

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Crocker" <dcrocker at brandenburg.com>
To: <vandrome at renater.fr>
Cc: "NCDNHC-discuss" <discuss at icann-ncc.org>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:23 PM
Subject: [ncdnhc-discuss] Re: ultimate change in the resolution editing

> At 08:14 AM 12/10/2001 +0100, Dany Vandromme wrote:
> >During the MdR meeting, you request some changes in one of the
> >resolution, from a discussion with Alejandro.
> >As we are preparing the online vote approval, we need your suggested
> >changes,
> 
> Dany,
> 
> The agreed changes were the same as I had previously posted to the list, 
> with one item deleted.
> 
> here is another copy of of the posted text.  frankly i do not remember 
> which part we agreed to delete; presumably the note-taker can clarify this.
> 
> d/
> 
> 
> >To: "Milton Mueller" <Mueller at syr.edu>
> >From: Dave Crocker <dhc2 at dcrocker.net>
> >Subject: Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] Revised security resolution
> >Cc: <discuss at icann-ncc.org>
> >Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 07:48:31 -0800
> >
> >a few, changes, to improve accuracy and precision:
> >
> >At 01:30 PM 11/2/2001 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
> >>The Internet's robustness relies largely
> >>on its distributed, decentralized nature.
> >>ICANN is responsible for central coordination
> >>of key resources critical to its operation;
> >>namely, domain names, Internet addresses,
> >>and protocol parameters.  Ensuring the
> >
> >         namely, administration of domain names, Internet IP addresses, 
> > and protocol parameters, as well as operation of the DNS root servers.
> >
> ><<covers the entire system, since there is no other organization with a 
> >focus on the total system.  /d>>
> >
> >
> >>security of the DNS root servers, the IP
> >>allocation system, and other central
> >
> >         security of DNS name allocation administration, DNS server 
> > operation, IP address allocation administration
> >
> >
> >>resources within ICANN's deliberately
> >>limited purview, is a responsibility shared
> >>by all organizations within ICANN.
> >>
> >>The non-commercial organizations and
> >>entities represented in the Non-Commercial
> >>Domain-Name Holders Constituency
> >>(NCDNHC) of ICANN's DNSO may be less
> >>able to recover from disruptions in their
> >>operations caused by attacks on the DNS.
> >
> ><<A small Internet-based for-profit business is likely to suffer vastly 
> >more than National Geographic magazine, which is non-commercial but very 
> >large.  So the above sentence is note quite correct.  It also does not 
> >seem to serve an important purpose in the overall statement.  The 
> >paragraph, below, is sufficient for highlighting the nature of NCDNHC 
> >focus. /d>>
> >
> >
> >>Many non-commercial interests in the DNS
> >>and IP allocation system are in universities
> >>and research institutes with high levels of
> >>technical expertise. Many others, however,
> >>have very limited financial and technical
> >>resources to train for defense against and
> >>prevention of attacks or to recover from a
> >>crisis.
> >>
> >>Because the expertise embodied in non-
> >>commercial organizations is usually more
> >>accessible to a wider community and not
> >
> >is usually open and accessible to a wide community and not
> >
> ><<< "more" and "wider" make an unanchored comparison; the purpose of the 
> >sentence is served without making a comparison. /d>>
> >
> >
> >>restricted to proprietary interests, academic
> >>and other non-commercial organizations may
> >>be optimal points for the diffusion of knowledge
> >>about threats to the security of the systems
> >>under ICANN's administration.
> >
> >
> >         and other non-commercial organization are excellent participants 
> > in efforts to diffuse knowledge
> >
> ><<In fact, academic organizations are typically NOT "optimal", or even 
> >very good, places for discussion and resolution of operational matters.  /d>>
> >
> >
> >>Therefore the NCDNHC calls upon the Names
> >
> >Therefore the NCDNHC is eager to collaborate with the Names
> >
> ><<<friendlier wording, since it states a willingness to share work, rather 
> >than demanding that others do work for us. /d>>
> >
> >
> >>Council, the ASO, the PSO, the ICANN Board,
> >>and Education and Research Networks
> >>throughout the world to promptly assess the
> >>threats to the security of the resources under
> >>ICANN's coordination, and to establish measures
> >>to address these threats, their avoidance, and
> >>the minimization or avoidance of the collateral
> >>damage they may produce, in order that non-
> >>commercial organizations with limited technical,
> >>human and financial resources can be protected
> >>from such threats, and have affordable access
> >>to preventive measures.
> >
> >         may produce, in order that organizations can be protected from
> >
> ><<the existing wording suggests that we care only about "non-commercial 
> >organizations with limited...resources."  We care about all 
> >organizations.  In addition, all organizations have limited resources.  /d>>
> >
> >
> >>Further, the NCDNHC calls upon its technically
> >>strong members and their peers to aid ICANN
> >
> ><<"and their peers"?  Please explain who might qualify as a "peer" to an 
> >NCDNHC technically strong member.  /d>>
> >
> >
> >>in the aforementioned effort to assess the
> >>threats to the stability security of the DNS and
> >>address allocation system and to provide the
> >>community with their expertise. The NCDNHC
> >>organization representatives will call on people
> >>from their communities to provide further
> >>assistance.
> >>
> >>The NCDNHC offers the technical and policy
> >>expertise of its members, the high standing
> >>of some of them in their societies, and the
> >
> >replace
> >
> >         "the high standing of some of them in their societies"
> >
> >with
> >
> >         of its members, their high standing in their societies,
> >
> ><<simpler and more inclusive.  /d>>
> >
> >
> >>intercultural experience of the constituency
> >>to the process of assessing and securing the
> >>security of the resources under ICANN's
> >>administration.
> 
> 
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