[NCUC E-team] Fwd: Confluence for NCUC

Wed Apr 10 04:42:14 CEST 2013

A few notes

-  We do needs Ken's help, not to edit but for general guidance and
help with tips and tricks. And a few other one off tasks, example,
removing all the redundant ncuc duplicate pages and putting the
content in one place.
- Quoting his paragraph below

"While the Wiki can serve multiple purposes effectively, it was
designed for and is best suited to collaboration. One option you might
consider is to
keep your NCUC website - for push content - and utilize the Wiki as a
workspace where NCUC members can share ideas, develop drafts, and
otherwise perfect statements and positions that will ultimately be
hosted on new.ncuc.org. In that scenario, the Wiki could, at the top,
refer visitors
to the formal website for all semi-permanent information about NCUC
(About Us, Governance, Membership, Participation, et al.); whereas,
the Wiki site would contain only structures/headings related to
collaboration topics and functions (e.g., Public Comments, Policy
Development)."

He doesn't seem to imply that we should always consider the confluence
as the official place, and being the official confluence person, am
leaning to believing him (and taking his advice). Not sure where we
got that impression (of confluence being the official
website)..perhaps because it's was setup by ICANN?

Regards,
Wilson

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:59 AM, Brenden Kuerbis
<bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Tapani Tarvainen
> <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
>> Yes, we need to think a bit about how we'll use the various
>> web locations with NCUC stuff. One solution would indeed be
>> making all but one just pointers to the real stuff,
>> but if we either need to consider confluence official in
>> some sense and thus must have some real content there,
>> like the member list or whatever it could be dynamically
>> generated from our own server,
>
>
> I agree with this approach.
>
>
>> or if it offers something we'd be better of using
>> instead of duplicating it, we could use it as well.
>
> I don't think it does at this time.
>
>
>
>>
>> I'm not clear as to why we'd need Ken's help here, though:
>> don't we have enough privileges in confluence or what?
>
>
> Agree. We can do all this. What I have witnessed is that Ken's
> efforts, while well intentioned, have really caused confusion because
> content, URLs keep changing.  We really need to be in control of
> changes to content.
>
>
>
>>
>> As for the gnso.icann.org, it might make sense to keep it looking like
>> it is now, with mission statement, EC info and pointers to our own
>> website, but generate the content dynamically (I expect we'll want to
>> put our mission statement and EC members data on our own server as well).
>
> I agree with this approach.
>
>
>>
>> Btw, the gnso page still points to ncsg-discuss as ncuc's mailing list,
>> we should to change that. Who has editing privileges there?
>
> You need to contact Glen St. de Gery at glen at icann.org to have that
> change made (you can cc me).
>
> -- B
>
>
>>
>> Tapani
>>
>>
>> On Apr 09 15:13, Joly MacFie (joly at punkcast.com) wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is a question that perhaps should be discussed a little more
>>> widely within the constituency. To some extent the Confluence stands as the
>>> official record.. While it is desirable to not have people going to the
>>> wrong place, there might be a solution that allows archiving but redirects
>>> non-savvy users to the site via some admin jiggery-pokery.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Wilson Abigaba <wilson at isoc.ug> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > FYI (Ken's email below). I tend to agree with him.
>>> >
>>> > Looks like NCSG has put a lot on the confluence because they don't
>>> > have any other space.
>>> >
>>> > I now want to suggest to him this below
>>> >
>>> > - We remove all the other NCUC pages on Confluence and  leave only
>>> > one, which will be found under GNSO -> Constituencies -> NCUC
>>> > - Not sure if redirects are possible, but we could redirect the other
>>> > (deleted) pages to our new home as above
>>> > - Create a simple clean structure on our new page (mainly the topics
>>> > below (policy development etc)
>>> > - Migrate all the content from the other sparse pages to this new one
>>> > - We'll then start populating that
>>> >
>>> > If the above is agreed upon, it would also mean that we won't need the
>>> > members list et all on the confluence.
>>> >
>>> > Any thoughts or ideas?
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Wilson
>>> >
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > From: Ken Bour <ken.bour at verizon.net>
>>> > Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:34 PM
>>> > Subject: RE: Confluence for NCUC
>>> > To: Wilson Abigaba <wilson at isoc.ug>
>>> > Cc: "Hoggarth, Robert (ICANN)" <robert.hoggarth at icann.org>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Wilson:
>>> >
>>> > I was about to start working on your NCUC space this morning and noticed
>>> > that you already created a starting structure which emulates the one found
>>> > on new.ncuc.org.
>>> >
>>> > I find myself puzzled as to why you would want two identical structures.
>>> > Are
>>> > you planning to replicate the content on the Wiki that exists on
>>> > new.ncuc.org and, after building the Wiki, would you take down the
>>> > website?
>>> > Having the same information in two (or more) places increases the
>>> > maintenance burden, that is, keeping all of the information up-to-date and
>>> > consistent between sites. Keep in mind that there is also an area on
>>> > gnso.icann.org (see
>>> > http://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg/ncuc) that
>>> > contains NCUC data (although sparse); moreover, I see that some NCUC
>>> > information is also replicated in the NCSG Wiki Space
>>> > (https://community.icann.org/x/vIpEAg).
>>> >
>>> > While the Wiki can serve multiple purposes effectively, it was designed for
>>> > and is best suited to collaboration. One option you might consider is to
>>> > keep your NCUC website - for push content - and utilize the Wiki as a
>>> > workspace where NCUC members can share ideas, develop drafts, and otherwise
>>> > perfect statements and positions that will ultimately be hosted on
>>> > new.ncuc.org. In that scenario, the Wiki could, at the top, refer visitors
>>> > to the formal website for all semi-permanent information about NCUC (About
>>> > Us, Governance, Membership, Participation, et al.); whereas, the Wiki site
>>> > would contain only structures/headings related to collaboration topics and
>>> > functions (e.g., Public Comments, Policy Development).
>>> >
>>> > I will hold off doing any work on your site pending clarification on your
>>> > intentions for the Wiki space.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Ken
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Wilson Abigaba [mailto:wilson at isoc.ug]
>>> > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:28 AM
>>> > To: Ken Bour
>>> > Cc: Hoggarth, Robert (ICANN)
>>> > Subject: Re: Confluence for NCUC
>>> >
>>> > Dear Ken,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks Ken for your response.
>>> >
>>> > Rob, do you have some time :) To the least, I want the NCUC home page at
>>> > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomuserconst/NCUC-Home
>>> > to look like the ncsg one
>>> > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/NCSG-Wiki+Home
>>> > with a nice menu and all pages populated and formatted well.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Wilson
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Ken Bour <ken.bour at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> > > Hi Wilson:
>>> > >
>>> > > Alas, I am not in Beijing, but would otherwise love to work with you
>>> > > on the NCUC-Home page. Perhaps you could reach out to Rob Hoggarth who
>>> > > is the ICANN Staff person responsible for the project that involves
>>> > > constructing Wiki presences for Constituencies and Stakeholder Groups.
>>> > > Rob is in Beijing and, I'm sure, would appreciate talking with you
>>> > > about your concepts for the NCUC Wiki Space. He can then direct me as
>>> > appropriate.
>>> > >
>>> > > Please advise.
>>> > >
>>> > > Ken
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: Wilson Abigaba [mailto:wilson at isoc.ug]
>>> > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:01 AM
>>> > > To: ken.bour at verizon.net
>>> > > Subject: Confluence for NCUC
>>> > >
>>> > > Dear Ken,
>>> > >
>>> > > I am on the Non Commercial Users Constituency and would like to work
>>> > > with you in organizing our confluence at
>>> > > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomuserconst/NCUC-Home
>>> > >
>>> > > Are you in Beijing and have time to sit with me for a few minutes? How
>>> > > can we work on this quickly?
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks!
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > > Wilson
>>> > >
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