[NCUC E-team] Fwd: Confluence for NCUC

Wed Apr 10 03:59:32 CEST 2013

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Tapani Tarvainen
<ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> Yes, we need to think a bit about how we'll use the various
> web locations with NCUC stuff. One solution would indeed be
> making all but one just pointers to the real stuff,
> but if we either need to consider confluence official in
> some sense and thus must have some real content there,
> like the member list or whatever it could be dynamically
> generated from our own server,

I agree with this approach.

> or if it offers something we'd be better of using
> instead of duplicating it, we could use it as well.

I don't think it does at this time.

>
> I'm not clear as to why we'd need Ken's help here, though:
> don't we have enough privileges in confluence or what?

Agree. We can do all this. What I have witnessed is that Ken's
efforts, while well intentioned, have really caused confusion because
content, URLs keep changing.  We really need to be in control of
changes to content.

>
> As for the gnso.icann.org, it might make sense to keep it looking like
> it is now, with mission statement, EC info and pointers to our own
> website, but generate the content dynamically (I expect we'll want to
> put our mission statement and EC members data on our own server as well).

I agree with this approach.

>
> Btw, the gnso page still points to ncsg-discuss as ncuc's mailing list,
> we should to change that. Who has editing privileges there?

You need to contact Glen St. de Gery at glen at icann.org to have that
change made (you can cc me).

-- B

>
> Tapani
>
>
> On Apr 09 15:13, Joly MacFie (joly at punkcast.com) wrote:
>
>> I think this is a question that perhaps should be discussed a little more
>> widely within the constituency. To some extent the Confluence stands as the
>> official record.. While it is desirable to not have people going to the
>> wrong place, there might be a solution that allows archiving but redirects
>> non-savvy users to the site via some admin jiggery-pokery.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Wilson Abigaba <wilson at isoc.ug> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > FYI (Ken's email below). I tend to agree with him.
>> >
>> > Looks like NCSG has put a lot on the confluence because they don't
>> > have any other space.
>> >
>> > I now want to suggest to him this below
>> >
>> > - We remove all the other NCUC pages on Confluence and  leave only
>> > one, which will be found under GNSO -> Constituencies -> NCUC
>> > - Not sure if redirects are possible, but we could redirect the other
>> > (deleted) pages to our new home as above
>> > - Create a simple clean structure on our new page (mainly the topics
>> > below (policy development etc)
>> > - Migrate all the content from the other sparse pages to this new one
>> > - We'll then start populating that
>> >
>> > If the above is agreed upon, it would also mean that we won't need the
>> > members list et all on the confluence.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts or ideas?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Wilson
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Ken Bour <ken.bour at verizon.net>
>> > Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:34 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Confluence for NCUC
>> > To: Wilson Abigaba <wilson at isoc.ug>
>> > Cc: "Hoggarth, Robert (ICANN)" <robert.hoggarth at icann.org>
>> >
>> >
>> > Wilson:
>> >
>> > I was about to start working on your NCUC space this morning and noticed
>> > that you already created a starting structure which emulates the one found
>> > on new.ncuc.org.
>> >
>> > I find myself puzzled as to why you would want two identical structures.
>> > Are
>> > you planning to replicate the content on the Wiki that exists on
>> > new.ncuc.org and, after building the Wiki, would you take down the
>> > website?
>> > Having the same information in two (or more) places increases the
>> > maintenance burden, that is, keeping all of the information up-to-date and
>> > consistent between sites. Keep in mind that there is also an area on
>> > gnso.icann.org (see
>> > http://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg/ncuc) that
>> > contains NCUC data (although sparse); moreover, I see that some NCUC
>> > information is also replicated in the NCSG Wiki Space
>> > (https://community.icann.org/x/vIpEAg).
>> >
>> > While the Wiki can serve multiple purposes effectively, it was designed for
>> > and is best suited to collaboration. One option you might consider is to
>> > keep your NCUC website - for push content - and utilize the Wiki as a
>> > workspace where NCUC members can share ideas, develop drafts, and otherwise
>> > perfect statements and positions that will ultimately be hosted on
>> > new.ncuc.org. In that scenario, the Wiki could, at the top, refer visitors
>> > to the formal website for all semi-permanent information about NCUC (About
>> > Us, Governance, Membership, Participation, et al.); whereas, the Wiki site
>> > would contain only structures/headings related to collaboration topics and
>> > functions (e.g., Public Comments, Policy Development).
>> >
>> > I will hold off doing any work on your site pending clarification on your
>> > intentions for the Wiki space.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Wilson Abigaba [mailto:wilson at isoc.ug]
>> > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:28 AM
>> > To: Ken Bour
>> > Cc: Hoggarth, Robert (ICANN)
>> > Subject: Re: Confluence for NCUC
>> >
>> > Dear Ken,
>> >
>> > Thanks Ken for your response.
>> >
>> > Rob, do you have some time :) To the least, I want the NCUC home page at
>> > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomuserconst/NCUC-Home
>> > to look like the ncsg one
>> > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/NCSG-Wiki+Home
>> > with a nice menu and all pages populated and formatted well.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Wilson
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Ken Bour <ken.bour at verizon.net> wrote:
>> > > Hi Wilson:
>> > >
>> > > Alas, I am not in Beijing, but would otherwise love to work with you
>> > > on the NCUC-Home page. Perhaps you could reach out to Rob Hoggarth who
>> > > is the ICANN Staff person responsible for the project that involves
>> > > constructing Wiki presences for Constituencies and Stakeholder Groups.
>> > > Rob is in Beijing and, I'm sure, would appreciate talking with you
>> > > about your concepts for the NCUC Wiki Space. He can then direct me as
>> > appropriate.
>> > >
>> > > Please advise.
>> > >
>> > > Ken
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Wilson Abigaba [mailto:wilson at isoc.ug]
>> > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:01 AM
>> > > To: ken.bour at verizon.net
>> > > Subject: Confluence for NCUC
>> > >
>> > > Dear Ken,
>> > >
>> > > I am on the Non Commercial Users Constituency and would like to work
>> > > with you in organizing our confluence at
>> > > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomuserconst/NCUC-Home
>> > >
>> > > Are you in Beijing and have time to sit with me for a few minutes? How
>> > > can we work on this quickly?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Wilson
>> > >
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