[NCUC-EC] New NCUC Website Launch

Fri Jul 28 11:50:57 CEST 2023

Dear Ken,
Thank you for your response, well appreciated.

I have cc’d the ETeam members in this response.

I will request a zoom meeting with help from Andrea for July 31st, 6pm
UTC+3  as suggested by Olga.

Also invite all parties which include the ECs, Tapani, David Morar and Amin.

Kind regards,
Benjamin

On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 at 9:31 AM, Ken Herman <ken at kherman.com> wrote:

> Olga and Benjamin.
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> First, thank you, Olga, for overseeing the redevelopment of the NCUC web
> site.
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> Regarding the issue of the hosting, my opinion is to separate the web site
> from the mailman application and place the web site at a new,
> well-functioning server as proposed. The issue, then, is whether to use the
> development hosting provider or someplace else. The alternative that comes
> to mind is to align the NCUC technology with the other non-commercial
> entities (NCSG and NPOC) would make sense, but I am not familiar with what
> other technical activities are ongoing in those entities. Given that NCSG
> has reactivated the e-team, that is a good place to start. Olga, if you can
> interact with the e-team directly, that would be helpful. Depending on the
> time of the meeting I could be available to join the discussion. The sooner
> we do that the better, so perhaps you or Benjamin can initiate a call for a
> meeting.
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> Regarding the development invoice, I support effecting payment as soon as
> possible. Once we get consent from the EC (which I do not see as a
> problem), then Benjamin can initiate that process.
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> Ken
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> *From:* NCUC-EC <ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> *On Behalf Of *Benjamin
> Akinmoyeje
> *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2023 4:41 AM
> *To:* Olga Kyryliuk <olga_kyryliuk at ukr.net>
> *Cc:* Exec. Comm <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [NCUC-EC] New NCUC Website Launch
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> Dear Olga,
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> Thank you for your response.
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> I have been traveling and it’s a challenge keeping up with engagements and
> emails.
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> The eTeam consists of Tapani, David Morar, and Amin.
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> Once the EC approves the payment of the funds.
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> I will communicate the meeting times to the eTeam so you can discuss with
> them directly.
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> Kind regards,
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> Benjamin
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> On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 at 7:24 PM, Olga Kyryliuk <olga_kyryliuk at ukr.net>
> wrote:
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> Hi Ben!
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> Essentially it is a simple decision on which hosting to operationalize a
> website. Ideally, it was supposed to be a quick upload of new website on
> current hosting but when I sent new website copy to Tapani it appeared that
> our current hosting systems need to be upgraded to be compatible with
> latest version of Wordpress used for website. And that’s where the process
> got stuck.
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> The only difference is that one option with new hosting provider can make
> website up instantly and the other option with keeping on current hosting
> will require additional efforts and time for Tapani to make necessary
> upgrades in the system to ensure compatibility with the latest WP and
> plugins, cos otherwise the moment when website crashes again is very close.
> This is an EC decision, I don’t see much value in extending this
> conversation to anyone else.
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> So if you want a call, let’s make smth quick for 30 minutes max with EC
> inviting Tapani who can explain what is the challenge on his side. I can
> make it for a call on 31 July after 6 pm (Kyiv time, UTC+3), 3 August after
> 4 pm and 5 August any time at the moment.
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> Btw who is part of NCUC eTeam? It would be more practical to talk to those
> people once decision on hosting is made and website is up and running to
> handover to them all admin details needed to maintain the website. And it
> would be very valuable to have someone in charge.
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> Another issue that I would like us to finalize asap is payment for website
> redesign in the amount of 1500$. Irrespective of how long this conversation
> on hosting will last (even we could make this decision in few minutes), the
> redesign was completed. You can see the result at test.dukes.in.rs. The
> task I had was redesign and we used the latest templates and plugins fixing
> a lot of mess and errors in old design. Hosting incompatibility/upgrade is
> separate issue. Prolonging with payment makes me feel very uncomfortable in
> front of the person who invested best efforts and time in our website,
> which was ready two months ago.
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> So, let’s start from approving the payment for redesign and speed up
> hosting decision. For that can I kindly ask all EC members to respond to
> this email at your earliest convenience to give your green light for
> processing payment?
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> On that, Ben, do you need invoice for making payment? Do we have any
> template? How payments are processed?
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> Best,
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> Olga
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> *26 липня 2023 р. о 14:19:13, від "Benjamin Akinmoyeje" <benakin at gmail.com
> <benakin at gmail.com>>: *
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> Dear Olga,
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> Good day to you and I hope you are doing well.
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> Please do you have an opening in your appointment schedule to meet with
> ECs and the NCUC eTeam to close this issue.
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> Kind regards,
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> Benjamin
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> On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 at 10:27 PM, Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Dear Olga,
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> Thank you for this update. I must apologize that I was caught up with
> things and I just read the mail now.
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> Suddenly it makes sense what you were saying during the meeting, in
> respect of making a decision.
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> I will have to consult with Tapani and read up on the best approach to
> take. My question to you is what option would you recommend for NCUC?
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> I also would like other ECs to contribute to this conversation and we can
> also try and get feedback from the community members or selected community
> members to get some buy-in.
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> Finally, it is in the purview of the ECs to approve the payment.
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> Thank you for the enormous work you have put into this.
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> Kind regards,
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> Benjamin
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> On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 4:33 PM Olga Kyryliuk <olga_kyryliuk at ukr.net>
> wrote:
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> Dear All!
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> In anticipation of our today's meeting I want to share an update on
> website redesign. The website itself has been ready a month ago but there
> have been some questions around how to operationalize it that we've
> discussed with Ben and Tapani. As time is passing, I would like us jointly
> to take a final decision how to move forward and to finalize this task.
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> The newly designed website is available at test.dukes.in.rs
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> All content was transferred to the new website. I fixed some very obvious
> outdated places. However, the website was not updated with new content for
> the last few years. Therefore, I would suggest releasing the new website as
> soon as possible and simultaneously start a call for volunteers (or as I
> recall we already got some interest during the last two ICANN meetings) to
> work on content. Another crucial point is to assign a dedicated person as
> web admin to be in charge of website updates and upgrades, otherwise this
> whole exercise with redesigning website will be pointless. Someone needs to
> preserve a memory of what changes have been made and keep an eye to timely
> upgrade plugins. This can be someone from EC or any community member who is
> ready to dedicate at least few years to supporting NCUC with this. It
> shouldn't be very time consuming but it is important that someone takes
> care of this.
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> Recently at EuroDIG, I had a chance to meet in person with Tapani and
> Dusan Stojicevic, who helped us with website upgrade, and we came to a
> conclusion that we have two options to move forward with operationalizing
> newly designed website:
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> 1. Buy new Virtual Private Server to locate new website
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> NCUC's VPS is presently running Ubuntu 20.04, which only has php 7.4. The
> new website was created  to run with latest PHP 8.1 or 8.2. If we do not
> upgrade it’s just a matter of very short time until the website cracks down
> again. So, consider efforts wasted. Upgrading current VPS is a bit
> complicated as it also hosts NCUC mailing list that is using mailman.
> Tapani said that mailman is using PHP 7.4, so it would be costly (or even
> impossible) to upgrade mailman and website to new PHP versions. That is the
> reason behind new VPS. And he said the price is 5 USD per month for another
> VPS. It will also take some time to set up.
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> 2. Divide hosting, keeping mailing list with Tapani and leaving website
> with another hosting provider that currently has the test version. We can
> make website live instantly. In this way we will also secure proper
> compatibility with plugins. The price is 4320 RSD (Serbian dinar) with
> VAT, without VAT 3600 RSD - around 36 USD per year.
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> I leave it open for discussion but time- and technically-wise second
> option is more preferable.
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> On a different note, it would be good to proceed with the payment for
> website redesign in the amount of 1,500 USD. Do we have any specific
> invoice template or Dusan can submit it in any form? Do we need anything
> else apart from invoice to process the payment?
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> That has been indeed a lot of work as all content had to be transferred
> manually, there have been a lot of errors, absolute links, and incompatible
> plugins, which significantly complicated the process. This is why now when
> technically things are fixed, I want us to take website support with proper
> seriousness and dedicate efforts to its tech upgrade and contents update.
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> Looking forward to hearing your opinions during our call!
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> Best,
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> Olga
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