[NCUC-EC] announcing ICANN63 travel slot?

[Renata Aquino Ribeiro]

Dear EC

I am sorry but you missed the deadline for announcement for 2 days already.
And yes, I did mention that we would very likely lose CROP ICANN63
date if we don't use, as the recent reminder of Ozan implies.

We are already losing 9000USD on website management funding because
the EC did not come up with any contribution on this.
We discovered we had this funding in August and it is very likely the
new Chair may not be able to tap into it.
I haven't been able to address small suggestions to it.

So we need to be more fiscally responsible to NCUC as well as
respecting our Operating Procedures.

There is no time for  a call for ICANN63, we were questioned 2 days
ago, our staff is out until 10Sept.

I understand the pressure on you but squandering funding is the worst
you can do.

Best,

Renata





On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Michael Karanicolas
<mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
> I also don't understand this course of action. As I understand it, we were
> deliberating the travel slots - and all that remained was to decide between
> Ben or Dina. Nobody has suggested allocating the CROP and, as Bruna says, we
> haven't done a proper call.
>
> I would suggest the Chair hold back on this, and we ask the EC folks who
> voted for Ben OR Dina to just pick one or the other, with a deadline of COB
> today.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:29 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Bruna
>>
>> Unfortunately I have time and time again given the EC the opportunity
>> to participate on the CROP Outreach Plan, on the deadline to ICANN63
>> and on the weighing in on solutions.
>> I'm sorry you oppose now but we are out of options
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > We did not open a call for this one and it will raise questions in our
>> > membership as to why we gave it to Dina once this was never announced to
>> > the
>> > larger list. And also, I dont believe that there is such thing as an
>> > interpretation that if we dont use this crop NOW we are to lose, given
>> > that
>> > the three slots shall be used until the end of FY19.
>> >
>> > Em qua, 29 de ago de 2018 às 12:18, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> > <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Renata,
>> >>
>> >> I am sorry but I oppose this idea. We were not discussing CROP, we were
>> >> discussing travel support.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Em qua, 29 de ago de 2018 às 12:17, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> <raquino at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear all
>> >>>
>> >>> We should have announced this on the 27aug
>> >>>
>> >>> We also have the CROP ICANN63 slot to an EU NCUC member
>> >>>
>> >>> We just received a reminder today to use it, at the risk of losing it
>> >>>
>> >>> I have read all the emails and I'll do the following
>> >>>
>> >>> Travel Support - 1st slot
>> >>> Shahul Hameed
>> >>>
>> >>> Travel Support - 2nd slot
>> >>> Benjamin Akinmoyeje
>> >>>
>> >>> CROP ICANN63
>> >>> I'll work with Dina Thomas on a NCUC CROP outreach plan and send it to
>> >>> the EC and to the CROP staff.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> Renata
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > Dear All,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I believe that according the advice provided by Farzi we still have
>> >>> > this
>> >>> > year to decide whether or not we are using this support exclusively
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > NCUC
>> >>> > members or if we are opening the selection to NPOC and NCSG as well
>> >>> > -
>> >>> > as we
>> >>> > did in this one - but as this selection is still subjected to NCUC
>> >>> > EC I
>> >>> > believe that we should continue to perform by selecting the funded
>> >>> > members
>> >>> > based on the quality of their outreach plans and application
>> >>> > independently
>> >>> > of the approach we seek to follow - opening calls or using them for
>> >>> > NCUC
>> >>> > only.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > In that sense, I am also between Dina and Ben.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Dina provided a good application and is also supported by NPOC
>> >>> > Leadership,
>> >>> > but I agree with Louise on the "her application might have
>> >>> > benefitted
>> >>> > from a
>> >>> > more concrete outline of how she has been working within PDPs - or
>> >>> > tying PDP
>> >>> > experience as an observer with her policy writing". I very much
>> >>> > appreciate
>> >>> > Dina's efforts regarding the Policy writing ad-hoc group she tried
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > assemble, but I did not see it moving forward (and am not implying
>> >>> > it
>> >>> > is her
>> >>> > fault either).
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On the other hand, we have Ben who we approved on a previous call
>> >>> > and
>> >>> > due to
>> >>> > personal reasons was not able to attend the meeting. Ben is has been
>> >>> > involved in the RDS and the RPMs working group and while we thought
>> >>> > that the
>> >>> > Policy meeting would be a moment for him to make sense of what has
>> >>> > been
>> >>> > discussed in the calls, he was not able to attend. If I am not
>> >>> > mistaken,
>> >>> > when we chatted about his situation in PR, and the idea of
>> >>> > re-considering
>> >>> > him for the subsequent call was at the table.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Given that I am very on the fence about the selection of the second
>> >>> > candidate, and that the two candidates are from EU and AF, I would
>> >>> > be
>> >>> > more
>> >>> > than happy to follow the advice from our EU and AF representatives.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > And please, lets decide soon on this matter, the more we delay the
>> >>> > decision
>> >>> > the harder it becomes to our funded members to find tickets within
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > price
>> >>> > range. Barcelona is in less than two months!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > best,
>> >>> > B.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Em ter, 28 de ago de 2018 às 10:15, Louise Marie Hurel
>> >>> > <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Dear all,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> First, I'd like to kindly thank Joan for her inputs.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Second, I cast my first vote to Shahul. As my colleagues have
>> >>> >> already
>> >>> >> highlighted, he has been actively engaging in policy writing and
>> >>> >> shows
>> >>> >> promising development within our community -- he has shown
>> >>> >> consistent
>> >>> >> commitment and dedication. His application was clear, consistent
>> >>> >> and
>> >>> >> grounded. I think he would also benefit greatly from the
>> >>> >> opportunity
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> participate on-site and hopefully lay deeper grounds for further
>> >>> >> engagement
>> >>> >> within the NCUC.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Quite frankly, my second vote goes to either Benjamin or Dina. Let
>> >>> >> me
>> >>> >> take
>> >>> >> a few lines to explain why - given NPOC Chair's support for Dina. I
>> >>> >> have had
>> >>> >> the opportunity to work with her in the past two meetings at the
>> >>> >> onboarding
>> >>> >> program. She is committed and has engaged in drafting comments - a
>> >>> >> strong
>> >>> >> applicant. Although her application might have benefitted from a
>> >>> >> more
>> >>> >> concrete outline of how she has been working within PDPs - or tying
>> >>> >> PDP
>> >>> >> experience as an observer with her policy writing (a general way of
>> >>> >> gaining
>> >>> >> insights and perspectives from other stakeholder groups and/or
>> >>> >> maturity in
>> >>> >> navigating ICANN). On the other hand, I also think that we need to
>> >>> >> give
>> >>> >> space for new applicants, and that includes giving Ben an
>> >>> >> opportunity,
>> >>> >> as he
>> >>> >> has, unfortunately, not been able to attend the last meeting due to
>> >>> >> visa
>> >>> >> issues. He also submitted a good application, clearly demonstrating
>> >>> >> consistency in participating and following two PDPs and looking for
>> >>> >> mentorship. My only question here is that while he states that he
>> >>> >> would do
>> >>> >> his best to "keep along with the ICANN63 sessions especially those
>> >>> >> that
>> >>> >> concern the NCUC and NCSG" he didn't explain how the slot would
>> >>> >> also
>> >>> >> play
>> >>> >> into his volunteer work on NPOC's PC, in particular. I think that
>> >>> >> this
>> >>> >> might
>> >>> >> have been an opportunity for him to provide a more robust account
>> >>> >> of a
>> >>> >> grounded plan for engagement in this next meeting.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> As observed, I outlined both the pros and cons of their
>> >>> >> applications.
>> >>> >> I
>> >>> >> don't think there's a clear shot here and thus count on my peers to
>> >>> >> either
>> >>> >> provide further insights to their decision that might aid in the
>> >>> >> allocation
>> >>> >> of this slot or, rely on a majority of voters for one or the other.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Hope this provides a fair account of my decision.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Kind regards,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Louise Marie Hurel
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Cybersecurity Project Coordinator | Igarapé Institute
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> London School of Economics (LSE) Media and Communications (Data and
>> >>> >> Society)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Skype: louise.dias
>> >>> >> +44 (0) 7468 906327
>> >>> >> l.h.dias at lse.ac.uk
>> >>> >> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 at 18:43, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >>> >> <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Thank you Joan for your clarification.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Joan Kerr <joankerr at fbsc.org>
>> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> > Hi Renata, All
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > NPOC is supporting Dina for a number of reasons.  She has been
>> >>> >>> > working
>> >>> >>> > hard
>> >>> >>> > with the newly formed PC and has a lot of experience in policy
>> >>> >>> > and
>> >>> >>> > processes.  NPOC feels Dina is the right choice and will be
>> >>> >>> > instrumental in
>> >>> >>> > assisting with the policy going forward.
>> >>> >>> > Thanks,
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:23 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >>> >>> > <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> >> Dear Joan
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> >> Please see inquiry from one of the NCUC EC reps.
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >>> >>> >> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >> > Dear all,
>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>> >> > My first vote went to Shahul, and as I am still to decide who
>> >>> >>> >> > will
>> >>> >>> >> > get
>> >>> >>> >> > the
>> >>> >>> >> > second slot Im more prone to vote either o Ben or Farell, who
>> >>> >>> >> > is
>> >>> >>> >> > also a
>> >>> >>> >> > NPOC
>> >>> >>> >> > member I believe.
>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>> >> > Renata, do you think that would be the case for asking Joan
>> >>> >>> >> > whether
>> >>> >>> >> > or
>> >>> >>> >> > not
>> >>> >>> >> > she'd recommend a second name since Remmy withdrew his
>> >>> >>> >> > candidacy
>> >>> >>> >> > ?
>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>> >> > best,
>> >>> >>> >> > B.
>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>> >> > Em dom, 26 de ago de 2018 às 21:59, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >>> >>> >> > <raquino at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >>> >> >> Dear EC
>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >>> >> >> It is time to announce the ICANN63 travel slots.
>> >>> >>> >> >> Please decide soon.
>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >>> >> >> Thanks
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>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>> >> > --
>> >>> >>> >> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>> >> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >>> >>> >> > @boomartins
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > --
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > Joan Kerr,
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > Entrepreneur, Artist, Humanitarian
>> >>> >>> >
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>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > Skype: joankerr_fbsc
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > fbsc.org, www.fbsc.eco
>> >>> >>> >
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>> >>> >>> >
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>> >>> >>> >
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>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > Chair: ICANN Not for Profit Operational Concerns Constituency
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > Recipient of the United Nations Civil Society Award (WSIS 2004)
>> >>> >>> >
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>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >>> > @boomartins
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >>
>> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> @boomartins
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >
>> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> > @boomartins
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