[NCUC-EC] South Africa project asking for support

Wed Oct 11 03:29:35 CEST 2017

Renata,

Please ask Thato to fill in this form:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdtizG2gV_f_ZMN2k--v-_CjdLpWwkxK0MSuhCtu5YECDWYjQ/viewform

And provide additional information addressing EC concerns.

Also please consider the operating procedures provisions when deciding to
allocate money to such requests. Please read section VI.
https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf

Farzaneh

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I believe if Thato still wants to pursue this, he'll answer your questions.
>
> Meantime, I don't understand why the language issue became part of this
> discussion.
>
> The project is about content development, translation as a 2nd step and
> not for NCUC site.
>
> It is just a way to further exercise the reflection and discussion about a
> specific content.
>
> So, as I mentioned, there will be no foreign languages spoken in NCUC as a
> result of this.
>
> I sense, though, these fears of barbarism can not be calmed. So it's good
> we have them outlined so proposers know to steer clear of multilingualism
> in the future.
>
> Best,
>
> Renat
>
> Em 10 de out de 2017 9:57 PM, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
> Also section IV provides some provisions related to treasurer reporting
> (page 10)
>
> https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operati
> ng-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> not sure if you are directing your response to me. for translation, I
>> responded to Renata statement that we won't get translation support in
>> future. with regard to your question if that will help them to contribute
>> in NCUC and ICANN. I have mixed feelings about that.
>>
>>  for the financial situation, Milton as treasurer can respond to that.
>> Our only source of funding is coming from PIR on yearly basis (I think that
>> was indicated  in operating procedures?).
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> 2017-10-11 9:31 GMT+09:00 Michael Karanicolas <michael at law-democracy.org>
>> :
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think the issue with translation issue isn't just about our materials
>>> and such - it's about how IsiXhosa and IsiNdebele speakers are going
>>> to contribute meaningfully to NCUC, or be a part of our eco-system
>>> when we're not really equipped to support their engagement.
>>>
>>> I met Thato in Hyderabad as well as in Johannesburg - and he seems
>>> very sharp, and I like the idea of supporting his work and of reaching
>>> out to underserved language communities, but I'm really struggling
>>> with slotting this as an outreach event when there's no
>>> sustainability.
>>>
>>> Can we get a clearer picture of our financial situation, in terms of
>>> where the funding would come from? Are we sitting on a source of money
>>> that we're not utilizing, or is this part of a funds that's going to
>>> get refreshed at the end of the year, or what's our situation?
>>> Apologies for not knowing this myself, as I guess I should by this
>>> point.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > if I can comment:
>>> > - I think icannwiki is a not just platform but organization which is
>>> getting
>>> > funding from several sources already.
>>> > - with regard to translation, we did get that before when we made a
>>> request
>>> > to translation team in ICANN. we could translate our flyers to Hindi,
>>> Urdu
>>> > for Hyderabad meeting in addition to translation to UN languages.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> >
>>> > Rafik
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2017-10-10 22:43 GMT+09:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, the logo would be there
>>> >>
>>> >> I will explain a bit more what this project is because I guess it
>>> isn't
>>> >> clear
>>> >>
>>> >> 1) Group convenes and discusses how ICANN works and what are possible
>>> >> words that they could study, describe which would help them understand
>>> >> PDPs - or words someone asked them to describe
>>> >> (This is where I asked them to describe better NCUC, GDPR, RDS, RPM
>>> etc)
>>> >>
>>> >> 2) Group studies and describes these terms. Outcomes are registered in
>>> >> www.icannwiki.org
>>> >>
>>> >> 3) New round of studying and describing and translation to local
>>> languages
>>> >>
>>> >> ICANNWiki is an independent platform
>>> >>
>>> >> NCUC will receive a report to be published as post
>>> >>
>>> >> We can be very confident that NCUC will not have support for
>>> >> multilingual content anytime soon and there won't be follow up
>>> >> requests on multilingual support to NCUC esp. indigenous languages.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is an effort independently lead by local language advocates in
>>> >> sectors of ICANNWiki platform only
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >>
>>> >> Renata
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Tatiana Tropina
>>> >> <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > All,
>>> >> > I agree with Michael.
>>> >> > Could the proposal be tweaked to be more obviously beneficial for
>>> NCUC?
>>> >> > Can we use our logo at the event to advertise us or something?
>>> >> > Cheers
>>> >> > Tanya
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue 10. Oct 2017 at 13:42, Michael Karanicolas
>>> >> > <michael at law-democracy.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks very much for sending that along. It seems like an unusual
>>> fit
>>> >> >> to me, to be an outreach event, and a bit of a departure from what
>>> we
>>> >> >> do normally. Obviously we want to bring in people from under-served
>>> >> >> communities, and I think we all recognize that language is a huge
>>> >> >> challenge, but I'm not sure that NCUC has the follow through to
>>> >> >> capitalize on this. So - the material is translated into IsiXhosa
>>> and
>>> >> >> IsiNdebele - then what? There's still no platform for the
>>> recipients
>>> >> >> to engage with NCUC, since we don't have ongoing support for those
>>> >> >> languages, and we are unlikely to have it in the near term - so
>>> where
>>> >> >> does this lead? Am I missing something?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> That said - I guess it would ultimately depend on our budget
>>> >> >> situation. Do we work on a calendar year and, if so, do we have
>>> funds
>>> >> >> that are going to expire relatively soon if they're not used?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Michael
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>> >> >> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> > Hi
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > The outreach in Johannesburg was mainly organized voluntarily by
>>> >> >> > Thato
>>> >> >> > Mfikwe and now he is asking for a small amount of support for
>>> >> >> > outreach
>>> >> >> > and capacity building (USD 300, minimal is actually USD 500)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On our procedures document there is a description of a process
>>> for
>>> >> >> > this type of support
>>> >> >> > See section VI
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operati
>>> ng-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > There were outreach events funded by NCUC before and reports are
>>> >> >> > published on NCUC blog periodically
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Best,
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Renata
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Michael Karanicolas
>>> >> >> > <michael at law-democracy.org> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> We're not a granting organization... are we?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Forgive me, as I'm new(ish) on the EC. Is there precedent to
>>> fund
>>> >> >> >> these kinds of projects?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Michael
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>> >> >> >> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>> Dear EC
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> I am forwarding you an email by Thato Mfikwe from South Africa
>>> >> >> >>> asking
>>> >> >> >>> for support for a local project.
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> Basically they will do a day marathon of writing about internet
>>> >> >> >>> policy
>>> >> >> >>> terms learned after ICANN59. In English and in local languages.
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> The project already has support from ICANNwiki and ISOC Gauteng
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> Given ISOC Gauteng partnered w/ NCUC for the event in
>>> Johannesburg
>>> >> >> >>> it
>>> >> >> >>> would be great if NCUC could sponsor the event too
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> Even with a minimal amount (USD300), this partnership can be
>>> >> >> >>> consolidated and we can ask for the program to cover writing
>>> about
>>> >> >> >>> terms which are en vogue in NCUC policymaking efforts
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> Deadline for this is (was) 10th Oct so please express your
>>> support
>>> >> >> >>> as
>>> >> >> >>> soon as possible
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> Thank you
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> >> >> >>> From: Thato Mfikwe <mfikwentjatje at gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >>> Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:23 AM
>>> >> >> >>> Subject: ISOC Gauteng Project proposal (Content development and
>>> >> >> >>> translation
>>> >> >> >>> To: raquino at gmail.com
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> Hi Renata,
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> Please find the attached proposal regarding the project we
>>> running
>>> >> >> >>> in
>>> >> >> >>> Mpumalanga and Eastern Cape rural areas of South Africa, I
>>> hope you
>>> >> >> >>> find all in order. Should you require that we amend our
>>> proposal to
>>> >> >> >>> meet available funding and support criterias, please let us
>>> know.
>>> >> >> >>> Apologies in the delay, we only have 2 weeks before
>>> implemetation
>>> >> >> >>> of
>>> >> >> >>> the 1st phase of the project, thuis a prompt response is
>>> required
>>> >> >> >>> to
>>> >> >> >>> speed up this process.
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> We thought the project of this natture would be of interest to
>>> >> >> >>> players
>>> >> >> >>> in the IG space, since we need allthe help we can obtain to
>>> make it
>>> >> >> >>> a
>>> >> >> >>> success and please feel free to forward to relevant
>>> organisations
>>> >> >> >>> who
>>> >> >> >>> might find an interest in working with us on this exciting
>>> project.
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> We will provide sponsors with proof of expenses on a monthly
>>> basis
>>> >> >> >>> and
>>> >> >> >>> ZACR has commited to the project in terms of human capital and
>>> >> >> >>> funding
>>> >> >> >>> that is yet to be finalised by end of this month. Should you
>>> need
>>> >> >> >>> more
>>> >> >> >>> information or set up an appointment around this project,
>>> please do
>>> >> >> >>> not hesitate to contact us, thanks.
>>> >> >> >>>
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