[NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
Edward Morris
egmorris100 at gmail.com
Tue Dec 23 14:10:36 CET 2014
Hi everybody,
1. I have some additional names for consideration for the Outreach. My
apologies for the delay, but I wanted to gauge interest before proffering
the names. I wouldn't worry so much about a full room: this being D.C. half
those who accept won't show up and if they do it will just make us seem so
overwhelmingly popular that folks will wonder what all the excitement is
about and want to join. The real fear should be an empty room. I'll just
mention the names here in case there is a comment or objection and, for
the sake of privacy, will send their contact information directly to Bill:
1. Todd O'Boyle, Common Cause (director, Media and Democracy project)
2. David Sobel, Electronic Frontier Foundation
3. Kim Keenan, Minority Media and Telecommunications Council
4. Donna Gregg, Institute for Communication Law Studies, Catholic
University of America
5. Paul Levy, Public Citizen
6. Susan Fischer, law professor, Catholic University of America
2. Regarding travel arrangements, Counsellors should be aware that
depending upon your travel possibilities you may have to chose between
doing the Outreach and attending the Council meeting on Thursday January
15th. I've been in touch with Rob and the fact I would not get back to my
flat in time for the Council meeting by leaving Wednesday night is not
sufficient for ICANN to provide support for an additional hotel night. As
such, I will be leaving early to meet my Council obligations and will
regrettably have to miss the Outreach. I don't know if anyone else is in
this situation but, just in case, I wanted impacted parties to be aware of
the policy.
Best,
Ed
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:52 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>
wrote:
> Hi
>
> On Dec 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I was worried about the ability to fly out Tuesday. The invitation says I
> have to fly then.
>
> Approved date of departure:
> * Tuesday, 13 January 2015*
>
>
> Huh. Odd. Don’t know why, mine says Wednesday, which is what we were
> promised. A failure to communicate somewhere. Will inquire.
>
> Bill
>
>
> avri
>
> On 22-Dec-14 11:19, William Drake wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> On Dec 22, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am fine with being responsble for an issue. IANA seems appropriate for
> me.
>
>
> Ok great
>
>
> I am still uncertain what the schedule requirements for this are. And
> whether they will support the extra night in the hotel for someone who can
> get home on a 10PM flight the night before. the invite does not say they
> will.
>
>
> Again, the offer from Hoggarth is that they will pay for an extra night
> of hotel for those people who cannot get flights out Wednesday after the
> outreach meeting ends noonish. I don’t qualify, and if there’s a night
> flight that’d work for you then I presume you wouldn’t either. But if you
> wanted to press for an exception to the rule I guess you could take it up
> directly with Rob.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 22-Dec-14 10:04, William Drake wrote:
>
> Hi from Chicago
>
> On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> Let’s invite L. Gordon Crovitch ;-)
> I’d like to get my hands on him….
>
>
> Personally, politics aside, I’d prefer to steer clear of anyone who has
> his minions produce a self-important Wikipedia entry.
>
> I’ve received several concrete suggestions of names but could use more,
> with affiliations and email addresses please. After we get our travel
> details sorted and over the holiday hump I’ll send back a proposed invite
> list and letter that staff can blast out like ten days before the meeting.
>
> In terms of content, again I’d suggest skipping the what is ICANN org
> chart thing and go straight to the distributed presentation of 3 minute
> issue intros connecting our issues with stuff folks there might care about,
> followed by open conversation. A priori I’d expect a more focused and
> substantive discussion than what we managed in London and LA if we manage
> to herd in a bunch of beltway policy wonks.
>
> What do you folks think we should cover, and who’d be interested in
> taking which piece? Would this be a good starting point? Topics to add?
> In total I don’t think we should talk ‘at’ them for more than 30 minutes if
> that before going to discussion, if we got even a third of the names on
> last year’s Fadi list I suspect we’d have robust engagement from visitors...
>
>
> 1. IANA (Avri?)
> 2. Accountability (Matt?)
> 3. Human rights generally (Marilia?)
> 4. Privacy (Stephanie?)
> 5. FoE & 'Internet freedom’ as locals call it (Walid?)
> 6. Access to knowledge/IPR/trademark (Kathy?)
> 7. Development (Rafik?)
> 8. IG generally, NMI, etc (Bill?)
>
>
> Matt, any news on whether CDT’s office would be available like 10am -
> noon on Wed. 14th? What staff have lined up for us now is a room at Wiley
> Rein that sits about 20-24 people, so a) we’d definitely need to cull the
> invite list and b) this would be in a rather odd environment for a CS
> meeting….
>
> Happy holidays, as applicable.
>
> Bill
>
> *From:* Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2014 7:14 AM
> *To:* William Drake
> *Cc:* Milton L Mueller; Matt Shears; Walid AL-SAQAF; Marilia Maciel;
> Exec. Comm; Stephanie Perrin; Amr Elsadr; Edward Morris; Avri Doria; Kathy
> Kleiman; Joy Liddicoat; David Cake
> *Subject:* Re: [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting
> in DC Wed. 13 January
>
> Hi,
>
> I guess the list will be shrinked somehow :) I don't think we can
> consider ISOC as civil society for example. we can try to invite those
> folks (anyway nobody talked about inviting CP80 anyway) and see if they can
> confirm their attendance. even if we don't expect CFR, heritage or Hudson
> to join us, at least we can let them and others know there is already group
> of CS people involved for years in ICANN and having expertise. just recall
> the letter sent about IANA transition (
> http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2014/oti_sends_letter_to_congress_on_the_dotcom_bill_and_the_iana_transition-107726
> )
>
> as names , Joy suggested to check with APC members in USA, Kathy
> suggested Rebecca recommendations (and she wrote about NCUC before) . I can
> suggest Susan Aaronson .
>
> we have 3 weeks before this meeting and I would expect us to have some
> points to present to those folks.
> what would interest DC folks?
>
>
> Rafik
> 2014-12-16 17:47 GMT+09:00 William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>:
>
> Hi Milton
>
> Thanks for the input, sorry you’re shocked. As I said, we’re unlikely to
> be able fit all the all the people below in the room with us, and people
> are providing other names as well. So I was suggesting we prioritize and
> invite in tranches, in which case I’d think we’d start with people who
> might conceivably be open to getting involved with us, which is sort of the
> purpose of an outreach meeting. But I don’t care enough either way to
> debate it with you, so we could instead invite broadly and whoever RSVPs
> first and gets into the room, that’s who we have. Send any names you like
> from Cato, Heritage, CP80, House Republican staff, whatever, and I’ll pass
> their details to ICANN for the invite blast.
>
>
> Bill
>
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>
> Bill.
> It’s really wrong and even shocking for you to suggest dropping people
> from the list because you don’t like their ideology. I don’t see anyone on
> that list who doesn’t share some core values of NCUC regarding internet
> freedom.
> Either we are the noncommercial stakeholders group or we are something
> else. If the people involved are involved in nonprofit advocacy groups and
> are eligible for NCUC membership they should be invited, full stop.
>
> --MM
>
> *From:* ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org [
> mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org <ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *William Drake
> *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 9:20 AM
> *To:* Exec. Comm
> *Cc:* Matt Shears; Marilia Maciel; Stephanie Perrin; Amr Elsadr; Avri
> Doria; Edward Morris; Kathy Kleiman; Joy Liddicoat; David Cake
> *Subject:* [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC
> Wed. 13 January
>
> Hello
>
> As we’ve discussed, there will be an NCUC civil society outreach
> meeting in DC the morning of Wed. 14 January, after the NCPH meeting.
> Probably we’ll do 10-1pm, we’ll see. Think it will be in some law office,
> the ICANN office is not available. More on that later.
>
> Again, for the covered travelers, if you cannot get an afternoon or
> evening flight out on the 14th, ICANN will cover your hotel that night.
> Once Constituency Travel starts to get in touch on this and you’ve worked
> out your itinerary, please let me and Rob Hoggarth know if you will be
> needing hotel for that night.
>
> I’d like to do something similar to what we tried at the LA outreach
> meeting, but better—have a number of people teed up to speak 3 minutes each
> on some of the issues we work on, hold all Q&A until the end and then go to
> an integrative freewheeling discussion. Since the folks we will be
> inviting are generally pretty up to speed beltway mavens, we won’t need to
> do a lot of what is ICANN introductory nonsense…just get to what we’re
> doing and then have discussion and say if you’re into knowing more or maybe
> even joining please be in touch. We’ll sort this out going forward.
>
> Below is the list of people that the ICANN DC office invited to meet
> with Fadi when he was in DC in January for the State of the Net
> Conference. A number of these it’d be good to invite again, but some I’d
> drop, e.g. people from conservative think tanks and such who neither share
> our views nor are going to get involved with us. I don’t know exactly how
> many bodies the room we’ll have can accommodate, am waiting for an answer
> on that from Rob and Chris, but am guessing we’d want a mix like a dozen of
> us and two dozen external folks?
>
> Depending on the numbers, we may not be able to accommodate all the
> bodies we can name, or might have to do it in waves, i.e. invite a first
> tranche and if some say no then invite others. We’ll figure it out. What
> I want to know now is, are there DC public interest activists and friendly
> analysts you can think of who are not listed and might conceivably be
> interested in meeting with us to hear what we’re into etc? If so, please
> send me their names, affiliations and email addresses to fold into the
> list, and then we’ll sort out later who’s in our first tranche etc.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
>
>
> 1. Brigner Paul Internet Society
> (ISOC) Regional Director North America Bureau
> 2. Solomon Brett Access Executive Director
> 3. Kimmelman Gene Public Knowledge President
> 4. Beach Tim Georgetown Director, Program in Science,
> Technology, and International Affairs
> 5. Hoffman Lance George Washington Director, Computer
> Science Department
> 6. Zaychenko Elizaveta American Enterprise Institute Tech
> Policy Intern
> 7. Eisenach Jeffrey American Enterprise Institute Director,
> Center for Internet, Communications, and Technology Policy
> 8. Nojeim Gregory Center for Democracy and
> Technology Director, Project on Freedom, Security & Technology
> 9. Lewis James Center for Strategic and International
> Studies Director and Senior Fellow, Strategic Technologies Program
> 10. DeNardis Laura American University Professor, School of
> Communications
> 11. Lordan Tim Internet Education
> Foundation Executive Director
> 12. Burger Eric Georgetown Research Professor of
> Computer Science and Director, Georgetown Center for Secure Communications
> 13. Dourado Eli George Mason Research Fellow, Tech
> Policy, Mercatus Center, George Mason Univ.
> 14. Levin Blair Aspen Institute Fellow, Aspen Institute
> 15. Atkinson Robert ITIF President, ITIF
> 16. Brown Kathryn ISOC CEO, ISOC
> 17. Kornbluh Karen CFR Senior Fellow for Digital Policy
> 18. West Darrell Brookings Vice President and Director,
> Governance Studies; Founding Director, Center for Technology Innovation
> 19. O'Connor Nuala CDT President & CEO
> 20. McDowell Robert Hudson Institute Visiting Fellow (and
> 5th panel member)
> 21. Lenard Thomas Technology Policy
> Institute President
> 22. Maciel Marilia Center for Technology and Society,
> Getulio Vargas Foundation Project Leader/Researcher/Assistant
> Professor of IP Law
> 23. Tim Maurer Open Technology Institute
> 24. Kehl Danielle New America Foundation
> 25. Sascha Meinrath New America Foundation
> 26. Holmes Wilson Fight for the Future
> 27. Pedro Abramovay Open Society Foundations
> 28. Yeh Jennifer Free Press Policy Counsel
> 29. Craig Aaron Free Press
> 30. Matt Wood Free Press
> 31. Rebecca MacKinnon New America and GNI
> 32. Catalina Botero OAS Special Rappourter
> 33. Kilic Burcu Public Citizen
> 34. Cerda Alberto Derechos Digitales and Georgetown
> Univ.
> 35. Daniel Weitzner MIT
> 36. Vasdev Samhir World Bank Innovation and Design
> Consultant, Open Technology Alliance
> 37. Pohl Rachel Aspen Institute
> 38. Rossini Carolina Public Knowledge
>
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