[NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January

[David Cake]

On the one hand I agree with Milton that we should work with groups who share our specific goals, even if many of us might individually dislike their ideology. At EFA we've been finding that some engagement with Australia's leading conservative/libertarian think tank has been very useful - much as I think their broader views on economics and industrial relations are usually terrible, they've proved very willing to come out both guns blazing against our conservative/libertarian government on internet censorship, data retention and surveillance, and copyright maximalism. And the government is far more willing to listen to their views than ours (as I'm sure most are aware, our government is unusually awful right now, all ideological culture war all the time, so lobbying them from outside the conservative establishment usually just makes them perversely happy that they are annoying 'the left', in which category they include practically everyone not a member of their own party). 

That said, I think Bill has a point in that effort invested in groups that are very unlikely to take any active interest in ICANN issues may not be a very effective use of our limited time. By all means invite anyone you think might be useful Milton, but I'm not that enthused about making the list large just for the sake of openness. 

David


On 16 Dec 2014, at 2:36 am, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:

> Or let me put it differently:
> We should turn away completely from this Fadi-style “let’s form a selective invitation list as if this were a private cocktail party.” Let’s work up a general invitation to any CS group in Washington area and circulate it freely and publicize it on our web site.
>  
> And if you don’t, I will. ;-)
>  
> From: ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org [mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] On Behalf OfMilton L Mueller
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:58 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>  
> Bill.
> It’s really wrong and even shocking for you to suggest dropping people from the list because you don’t like their ideology. I don’t see anyone on that list who doesn’t share some core values of NCUC regarding internet freedom.
> Either we are the noncommercial stakeholders group or we are something else. If the people involved are involved in nonprofit advocacy groups and are eligible for NCUC membership they should be invited, full stop.
>  
> --MM
>  
> From: ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org [mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org] On Behalf OfWilliam Drake
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:20 AM
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> Cc: Matt Shears; Marilia Maciel; Stephanie Perrin; Amr Elsadr; Avri Doria; Edward Morris; Kathy Kleiman; Joy Liddicoat; David Cake
> Subject: [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January
>  
> Hello
>  
> As we’ve discussed, there will be an NCUC civil society outreach meeting in DC the morning of Wed. 14 January, after the NCPH meeting.  Probably we’ll do 10-1pm, we’ll see.  Think it will be in some law office, the ICANN office is not available. More on that later.  
>  
> Again, for the covered travelers, if you cannot get an afternoon or evening flight out on the 14th, ICANN will cover your hotel that night.  Once Constituency Travel starts to get in touch on this and you’ve worked out your itinerary, please let me and Rob Hoggarth know if you will be needing hotel for that night.
>  
> I’d like to do something similar to what we tried at the LA outreach meeting, but better—have a number of people teed up to speak 3 minutes each on some of the issues we work on, hold all Q&A until the end and then go to an integrative freewheeling discussion.  Since the folks we will be inviting are generally pretty up to speed beltway mavens, we won’t need to do a lot of what is ICANN introductory nonsense…just get to what we’re doing and then have discussion and say if you’re into knowing more or maybe even joining please be in touch.  We’ll sort this out going forward.
>  
> Below is the list of people that the ICANN DC office invited to meet with Fadi when he was in DC in January for the State of the Net Conference.  A number of these it’d be good to invite again, but some I’d drop, e.g. people from conservative think tanks and such who neither share our views nor are going to get involved with us.  I don’t know exactly how many bodies the room we’ll have can accommodate, am waiting for an answer on that from Rob and Chris, but am guessing we’d want a mix like a dozen of us and two dozen external folks?
>  
> Depending on the numbers, we may not be able to accommodate all the bodies we can name, or might have to do it in waves, i.e. invite a first tranche and if some say no then invite others.  We’ll figure it out.  What I want to know now is, are there DC public interest activists and friendly analysts you can think of who are not listed and might conceivably be interested in meeting with us to hear what we’re into etc?  If so, please send me their names, affiliations and email addresses to fold into the list, and then we’ll sort out later who’s in our first tranche etc.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Bill
>  
> Brigner            Paul     Internet Society (ISOC)         Regional Director North America Bureau
> Solomon          Brett    Access Executive Director
> Kimmelman     Gene    Public Knowledge      President
> Beach  Tim      Georgetown    Director, Program in Science, Technology, and International Affairs
> Hoffman         Lance  George Washington    Director, Computer Science Department
> Zaychenko      Elizaveta         American Enterprise Institute Tech Policy Intern
> Eisenach          Jeffrey American Enterprise Institute Director, Center for Internet, Communications, and Technology Policy
> Nojeim Gregory           Center for Democracy and Technology          Director, Project on Freedom, Security & Technology
> Lewis  James   Center for Strategic and International Studies           Director and Senior Fellow, Strategic Technologies Program
> DeNardis       Laura   American University   Professor, School of Communications
> Lordan           Tim      Internet Education Foundation          Executive Director
> Burger           Eric      Georgetown    Research Professor of Computer Science and Director, Georgetown Center for Secure Communications
> Dourado        Eli        George Mason Research Fellow, Tech Policy, Mercatus Center, George Mason Univ. 
> Levin Blair    Aspen Institute           Fellow, Aspen Institute
> Atkinson        Robert ITIF     President, ITIF
> Brown           Kathryn           ISOC   CEO, ISOC
> Kornbluh       Karen  CFR    Senior Fellow for Digital Policy
> West  Darrell Brookings        Vice President and Director, Governance Studies; Founding Director, Center for Technology Innovation 
> O'Connor       Nuala   CDT    President & CEO
> McDowell     Robert Hudson Institute         Visiting Fellow (and 5th panel member)
> Lenard           Thomas            Technology Policy Institute    President
> Maciel            Marilia Center for Technology and Society, Getulio Vargas Foundation      Project Leader/Researcher/Assistant Professor of IP Law
> Tim Maurer                Open Technology Institute      
> Kehl   Danielle           New America Foundation       
> Sascha Meinrath                    New America Foundation       
> Holmes Wilson                      Fight for the Future     
> Pedro Abramovay                 Open Society Foundations      
> Yeh    Jennifer           Free Press        Policy Counsel
> Craig Aaron               Free Press         
> Matt Wood                Free Press         
> Rebecca MacKinnon             New America and GNI           
> Catalina Botero                     OAS Special Rappourter         
> Kilic   Burcu  Public Citizen   
> Cerda Alberto            Derechos Digitales and Georgetown Univ.     
> Daniel Weitzner                    MIT      
> Vasdev          Samhir World Bank    Innovation and Design Consultant, Open Technology Alliance
> Pohl   Rachel Aspen Institute            
> Rossini           Carolina           Public Knowledge

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