[Ec-ncuc] NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP

Alex Gakuru gakuru
Mon Sep 26 19:30:45 CEST 2011 

Great read,,

I only proposed miniscure changes inside [ ] below. To add a touch of
"governmental praise lingo" intro before jumping into the substance.
Attached, but not sure you all can read my LibreOffice.org - modified
version?

Regards,

Alex
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Heather Dryden,
[Chair, ] Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)	

Dear Heather,

The Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) would like to take the
opportunity to  [acknowledge and thank GAC for their continued and
deepened contribution to policy making. NCUC would also like to]
express its views in relation to the Uniform Domain Name Dispute
Resolution Policy (UDRP). NCUC understands that the GAC has sent a
letter to the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO), raising
some concerns as to whether a Policy Development Process (PDP) should
be initiated in relation to a review of the UDRP.
- - ends- -

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Brenden Kuerbis
<bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org> wrote:
> Yes, that's what I was thinking. ??And I agree adding the "destabilizing"
> bullet point is important.
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I think many people are assuming that they might read the cover letter and
>> be too lazy to actually read the comments, so they are trying to get the
>> bullet points in the cover letter. I have no strong opinion on which
>> approach is best.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Konstantinos Komaitis [mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk]
>> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:06 PM
>> > To: Brenden Kuerbis
>> > Cc: Milton L Mueller; EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org; Avri org>; William Drake;
>> > Rafik Dammak; Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU; Wendy Seltzer
>> > Subject: Re: [Ec-ncuc] NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>> >
>> > Thanks for this Brenden - I hadn't realized that we would use the same
>> > language as in the public comments. I think that with this repetition,
>> > they will definitely not read the public comments we made. What do
>> > others think?
>> >
>> > KK
>> >
>> > From: Brenden Kuerbis
>> > <bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org<mailto:bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org>
>> > >
>> > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:01:04 +0100
>> > To: Konstantinos Komaitis
>> > <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>
>> > Cc: Milton L Mueller <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>>, "EC-
>> > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>" <ec-
>> > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>, "Avri org>"
>> > <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>, William Drake
>> > <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>, Rafik Dammak
>> > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>,
>> > "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>"
>> > <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>, Wendy Seltzer
>> > <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>
>> > Subject: Re: [Ec-ncuc] NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>> >
>> > Suggested edits attached.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Milton L Mueller
>> > <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>> > Perfect!
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Konstantinos Komaitis
>> > > [mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>]
>> > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:52 AM
>> > > To: Milton L Mueller;
>> > > EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>
>> > > Cc: Avri org>; Robin Gross; William Drake;
>> > > Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>; Wendy Seltzer;
>> > > Rafik Dammak
>> > > Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>> > >
>> > > Forgot to attach :)
>> > >
>> > > KK
>> > >
>> > > From: Konstantinos Komaitis
>> > > <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.koma
>> > > itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>>
>> > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:50:54 +0100
>> > > To: Milton L Mueller
>> > > <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto
>> > > :mueller at SYR.EDU>>>, "EC-
>> > > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice
>> > > .org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>" <ec-
>> > > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice
>> > > .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>
>> > > Cc: "Avri org>"
>> > > <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm
>> > > .org>>>, Robin Gross
>> > > <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustic
>> > > e.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>>, William Drake
>> > > <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drak
>> > > e at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>>,
>> > >
>> > "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA
>> > W.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>"
>> > > <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong@
>> > > LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>, Wendy Seltzer
>> > > <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<
>> > > mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>>, Rafik Dammak
>> > > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.da
>> > > mmak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>>
>> > > Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>> > >
>> > > Shorter, amended version.
>> > >
>> > > KK
>> > >
>> > > From: Milton L Mueller
>> > > <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto
>> > > :mueller at SYR.EDU>>>
>> > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:24:48 +0100
>> > > To: Konstantinos Komaitis
>> > > <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.koma
>> > > itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>>, Milton L Mueller
>> > > <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto
>> > > :mueller at SYR.EDU>>>, "EC-
>> > > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice
>> > > .org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>" <ec-
>> > > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice
>> > > .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>
>> > > Cc: "Avri org>"
>> > > <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm
>> > > .org>>>, Robin Gross
>> > > <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustic
>> > > e.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>>, William Drake
>> > > <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drak
>> > > e at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>>,
>> > >
>> > "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA
>> > W.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>"
>> > > <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong@
>> > > LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>, Wendy Seltzer
>> > > <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<
>> > > mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>>, Rafik Dammak
>> > > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.da
>> > > mmak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>>
>> > > Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>> > >
>> > > Up to you, but I don't think it burns any bridges to be simple &
>> > > direct about what the letter is about. The risk otherwise is that they
>> > > just don't read it.
>> > >
>> > > Milton Mueller
>> > > Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original message-----
>> > > From: Konstantinos Komaitis
>> > > <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.koma
>> > > itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>>
>> > > To: Milton L Mueller
>> > > <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu><mailto:mueller at syr.edu<mailto
>> > > :mueller at syr.edu>>>, "EC-
>> > > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice
>> > > .org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>" <ec-
>> > > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice
>> > > .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>
>> > > Cc: "Avri org>"
>> > > <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm
>> > > .org>>>, Robin Gross
>> > > <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustic
>> > > e.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>>, William Drake
>> > > <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drak
>> > > e at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>>,
>> > >
>> > "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA
>> > W.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>"
>> > > <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong@
>> > > LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>, Wendy Seltzer
>> > > <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<
>> > > mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>>, Rafik Dammak
>> > > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.da
>> > > mmak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>>
>> > > Sent: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 13:15:51 GMT+00:00
>> > > Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>> > >
>> > > At this stage, I would prefer if we were to send a polite letter to
>> > > the GAC instead of cutting bridges before we even started our dialogue
>> > > with them.I could cut it shorter and insist on the point of the GAC
>> > > has consulted with the IPC only - my understanding is that the Ry's
>> > > and Rr's have not been consulted on this letter - am I wrong?
>> > >
>> > > KK
>> > >
>> > > From: Milton L Mueller
>> > > <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto
>> > > :mueller at SYR.EDU>><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>>>
>> > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:01:51 +0100
>> > > To: Konstantinos Komaitis
>> > > <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.koma
>> > > itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>><mailto:k.komait<mai
>> > > lto:k.komait> is at strath.ac.uk<mailto:is at strath.ac.uk>>>,
>> > > "EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-<mailto
>> > > :EC->
>> > > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org>><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustic
>> > > e.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>" <ec-
>> > > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice
>> > > .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>><mailto:ec-<mailto:ec->
>> > > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>
>> > > Cc: "Avri org>"
>> > > <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm
>> > > .org>><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>>, Robin Gross
>> > <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.
>> > org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>><mailto:robin at ipjustice<mailto:robin at ipj
>> > ustice>.
>> > > org>>, William Drake
>> > > <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drak
>> > > e at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>><mailto:william.drake@<mailto:wi
>> > > lliam.drake@>
>> > > uzh.ch<http://uzh.ch>>>,
>> > > "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong@
>> > > LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA<mailto:
>> > > Mary.Wong at LA>
>> > > W.UNH.EDU<http://W.UNH.EDU>>"
>> > > <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong@
>> > > LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA<mailto:
>> > > Mary.Wong at LA> W.UNH.EDU<http://W.UNH.EDU>>>, Wendy Seltzer
>> > > <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<
>> > > mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltz
>> > > er.com>>>,
>> > > Rafik Dammak
>> > > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.da
>> > > mmak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>><mailto:rafik.damm<mailt
>> > > o:rafik.damm>
>> > > ak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:ak at GMAIL.COM>>>
>> > > Subject: RE: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
>> > >
>> > > I think the letter is too polite, too generic and too long. I think it
>> > > should say, more simply, that the GAC does not seem to have consulted
>> > > with stakeholders holding different viewpoints about the UDRP and so
>> > > we are sending it our views.
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Konstantinos Komaitis
>> > > [mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>]
>> > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:15 AM
>> > > To:
>> > > EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipj
>> > > ustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>><mailto:EC-<mailto:EC->
>> > > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org>>
>> > > Cc: Avri org>; Robin Gross; William Drake;
>> > > Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at L
>> > > AW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW<mailto:
>> > > Mary.Wong at LAW> .UNH.EDU<http://UNH.EDU>>; Wendy Seltzer; Milton L
>> > > Mueller; Rafik Dammak
>> > > Subject: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP Dear all, I've drafted a
>> > > cover letter to send to the GAC in relation to the UDRP, attaching at
>> > > the end NCUC's comments during the public period. Given the time
>> > > pressure to send this out to the GAC before the Dakar meeting, I don't
>> > > think there is time for the whole list to review it. I am asking
>> > > therefore the NCUC EC to tell me whether they agree on sending this to
>> > > the GAC. As you may know, the GAC sent a statement to the GNSO
>> > > requesting that the UDRP should not be reviewed; this statement was
>> > > drafted by the IPC so we need to respond.
>> > > Please edit and/or make any additions that you feel are necessary. I
>> > > would like to send this to Heather by the end of the week so they can
>> > > read it before the GNSO meet with them in Dakar.
>> > > Many thanks
>> > > KK
>> > > --
>> > > Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,
>> > > Senior Lecturer in Law,
>> > > Director of LLM in Information Technology and Telems. Law, Director of
>> > > Postgraduate Instructional Courses, ICANN NCUC Chair University of
>> > > Strathclyde, Graham Hills Bld.
>> > > 50 George Street,
>> > > Glasgow, G1 1BA,
>> > > UK
>> > > tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306<tel:%2B44%20%280%29141%20548%204306>
>> > > email:
>> > > k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komai
>> > > tis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>><mailto:k.komaiti<mai
>> > > lto:k.komaiti> s at strath.ac.uk<mailto:s at strath.ac.uk>>
>> >
>> >
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