[Ec-ncuc] NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
Brenden Kuerbis
bkuerbis
Mon Sep 26 19:20:08 CEST 2011
Yes, that's what I was thinking. And I agree adding the "destabilizing"
bullet point is important.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> I think many people are assuming that they might read the cover letter and
> be too lazy to actually read the comments, so they are trying to get the
> bullet points in the cover letter. I have no strong opinion on which
> approach is best.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Konstantinos Komaitis [mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk]
> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:06 PM
> > To: Brenden Kuerbis
> > Cc: Milton L Mueller; EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org; Avri org>; William Drake;
> > Rafik Dammak; Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU; Wendy Seltzer
> > Subject: Re: [Ec-ncuc] NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
> >
> > Thanks for this Brenden - I hadn't realized that we would use the same
> > language as in the public comments. I think that with this repetition,
> > they will definitely not read the public comments we made. What do
> > others think?
> >
> > KK
> >
> > From: Brenden Kuerbis
> > <bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org<mailto:bkuerbis at internetgovernance.org>
> > >
> > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:01:04 +0100
> > To: Konstantinos Komaitis
> > <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>
> > Cc: Milton L Mueller <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>>, "EC-
> > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>" <ec-
> > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>, "Avri org>"
> > <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>, William Drake
> > <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>, Rafik Dammak
> > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>,
> > "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>"
> > <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>, Wendy Seltzer
> > <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Ec-ncuc] NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
> >
> > Suggested edits attached.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Milton L Mueller
> > <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
> > Perfect!
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Konstantinos Komaitis
> > > [mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:52 AM
> > > To: Milton L Mueller;
> > > EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>
> > > Cc: Avri org>; Robin Gross; William Drake;
> > > Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>; Wendy Seltzer;
> > > Rafik Dammak
> > > Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
> > >
> > > Forgot to attach :)
> > >
> > > KK
> > >
> > > From: Konstantinos Komaitis
> > > <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.koma
> > > itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>>
> > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:50:54 +0100
> > > To: Milton L Mueller
> > > <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto
> > > :mueller at SYR.EDU>>>, "EC-
> > > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice
> > > .org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>" <ec-
> > > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice
> > > .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>
> > > Cc: "Avri org>"
> > > <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm
> > > .org>>>, Robin Gross
> > > <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustic
> > > e.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>>, William Drake
> > > <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drak
> > > e at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>>,
> > >
> > "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA
> > W.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>"
> > > <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong@
> > > LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>, Wendy Seltzer
> > > <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<
> > > mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>>, Rafik Dammak
> > > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.da
> > > mmak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>>
> > > Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
> > >
> > > Shorter, amended version.
> > >
> > > KK
> > >
> > > From: Milton L Mueller
> > > <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto
> > > :mueller at SYR.EDU>>>
> > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:24:48 +0100
> > > To: Konstantinos Komaitis
> > > <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.koma
> > > itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>>, Milton L Mueller
> > > <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto
> > > :mueller at SYR.EDU>>>, "EC-
> > > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice
> > > .org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>" <ec-
> > > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice
> > > .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>
> > > Cc: "Avri org>"
> > > <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm
> > > .org>>>, Robin Gross
> > > <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustic
> > > e.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>>, William Drake
> > > <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drak
> > > e at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>>,
> > >
> > "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA
> > W.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>"
> > > <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong@
> > > LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>, Wendy Seltzer
> > > <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<
> > > mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>>, Rafik Dammak
> > > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.da
> > > mmak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>>
> > > Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
> > >
> > > Up to you, but I don't think it burns any bridges to be simple &
> > > direct about what the letter is about. The risk otherwise is that they
> > > just don't read it.
> > >
> > > Milton Mueller
> > > Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: Konstantinos Komaitis
> > > <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.koma
> > > itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>>>
> > > To: Milton L Mueller
> > > <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu><mailto:mueller at syr.edu<mailto
> > > :mueller at syr.edu>>>, "EC-
> > > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice
> > > .org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>" <ec-
> > > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice
> > > .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>
> > > Cc: "Avri org>"
> > > <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm
> > > .org>>>, Robin Gross
> > > <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustic
> > > e.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>>, William Drake
> > > <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drak
> > > e at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>>>,
> > >
> > "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA
> > W.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>"
> > > <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong@
> > > LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>>>, Wendy Seltzer
> > > <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<
> > > mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>>>, Rafik Dammak
> > > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.da
> > > mmak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>>
> > > Sent: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 13:15:51 GMT+00:00
> > > Subject: Re: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
> > >
> > > At this stage, I would prefer if we were to send a polite letter to
> > > the GAC instead of cutting bridges before we even started our dialogue
> > > with them.I could cut it shorter and insist on the point of the GAC
> > > has consulted with the IPC only - my understanding is that the Ry's
> > > and Rr's have not been consulted on this letter - am I wrong?
> > >
> > > KK
> > >
> > > From: Milton L Mueller
> > > <mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto
> > > :mueller at SYR.EDU>><mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU<mailto:mueller at SYR.EDU>>>
> > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:01:51 +0100
> > > To: Konstantinos Komaitis
> > > <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.koma
> > > itis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>><mailto:k.komait<mai
> > > lto:k.komait> is at strath.ac.uk<mailto:is at strath.ac.uk>>>,
> > > "EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-<mailto
> > > :EC->
> > > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org>><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustic
> > > e.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>>" <ec-
> > > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org><mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice
> > > .org<mailto:ec-ncuc at ipjustice.org>><mailto:ec-<mailto:ec->
> > > ncuc at ipjustice.org<mailto:ncuc at ipjustice.org>>>
> > > Cc: "Avri org>"
> > > <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm
> > > .org>><mailto:avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>>>, Robin Gross
> > <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org><mailto:robin at ipjustice.
> > org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>><mailto:robin at ipjustice<mailto:robin at ipj
> > ustice>.
> > > org>>, William Drake
> > > <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch><mailto:william.drak
> > > e at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>><mailto:william.drake@<mailto:wi
> > > lliam.drake@>
> > > uzh.ch<http://uzh.ch>>>,
> > > "Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong@
> > > LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA<mailto:
> > > Mary.Wong at LA>
> > > W.UNH.EDU<http://W.UNH.EDU>>"
> > > <Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong@
> > > LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong at LA<mailto:
> > > Mary.Wong at LA> W.UNH.EDU<http://W.UNH.EDU>>>, Wendy Seltzer
> > > <wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltzer.com><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<
> > > mailto:wendy at seltzer.com>><mailto:wendy at seltzer.com<mailto:wendy at seltz
> > > er.com>>>,
> > > Rafik Dammak
> > > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM><mailto:rafik.da
> > > mmak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>><mailto:rafik.damm<mailt
> > > o:rafik.damm>
> > > ak at GMAIL.COM<mailto:ak at GMAIL.COM>>>
> > > Subject: RE: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP
> > >
> > > I think the letter is too polite, too generic and too long. I think it
> > > should say, more simply, that the GAC does not seem to have consulted
> > > with stakeholders holding different viewpoints about the UDRP and so
> > > we are sending it our views.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Konstantinos Komaitis
> > > [mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:15 AM
> > > To:
> > > EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org><mailto:EC-NCUC at ipj
> > > ustice.org<mailto:EC-NCUC at ipjustice.org>><mailto:EC-<mailto:EC->
> > > NCUC at ipjustice.org<mailto:NCUC at ipjustice.org>>
> > > Cc: Avri org>; Robin Gross; William Drake;
> > > Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU><mailto:Mary.Wong at L
> > > AW.UNH.EDU<mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW.UNH.EDU>><mailto:Mary.Wong at LAW<mailto:
> > > Mary.Wong at LAW> .UNH.EDU<http://UNH.EDU>>; Wendy Seltzer; Milton L
> > > Mueller; Rafik Dammak
> > > Subject: NCUC letter to the GAC, RE UDRP Dear all, I've drafted a
> > > cover letter to send to the GAC in relation to the UDRP, attaching at
> > > the end NCUC's comments during the public period. Given the time
> > > pressure to send this out to the GAC before the Dakar meeting, I don't
> > > think there is time for the whole list to review it. I am asking
> > > therefore the NCUC EC to tell me whether they agree on sending this to
> > > the GAC. As you may know, the GAC sent a statement to the GNSO
> > > requesting that the UDRP should not be reviewed; this statement was
> > > drafted by the IPC so we need to respond.
> > > Please edit and/or make any additions that you feel are necessary. I
> > > would like to send this to Heather by the end of the week so they can
> > > read it before the GNSO meet with them in Dakar.
> > > Many thanks
> > > KK
> > > --
> > > Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,
> > > Senior Lecturer in Law,
> > > Director of LLM in Information Technology and Telems. Law, Director of
> > > Postgraduate Instructional Courses, ICANN NCUC Chair University of
> > > Strathclyde, Graham Hills Bld.
> > > 50 George Street,
> > > Glasgow, G1 1BA,
> > > UK
> > > tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306<tel:%2B44%20%280%29141%20548%204306>
> > > email:
> > > k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk><mailto:k.komai
> > > tis at strath.ac.uk<mailto:k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>><mailto:k.komaiti<mai
> > > lto:k.komaiti> s at strath.ac.uk<mailto:s at strath.ac.uk>>
> >
> >
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