[NCUC-DISCUSS] [cip-ccg] Meeting Follow-Up & Next Steps | Next Meeting 14 May 2025 @ 14 UTC
Kathy Kleiman
kathy at dnrc.tech
Tue May 13 23:41:46 CEST 2025
Dear Benjamin,
Tx you for this detailed answer. Very much appreciated! It is exactly
the type of detailed background, from an expert, that we need to proceed.
Let me ask some follow-up questions: /As someone deeply involved in this
issue, are you happy with the 5 principles of the Continuous Improvement
Program? Are others from NCUC happy with the fairness of the
negotiations and compromises? Do they reflect good principles and
protect all Stakeholders - are they something we can live with?
/
Like you, I hear about the new (draft) Holistic Review and am not sure
how it is different (or overlaps with) the Continuous Improvement
Project -- /do you have ideas for how we keep the two projects from
overlapping and causing extra, overlapping or duplicative work our (and
all) already busy Stakeholder Groups?
/
Also, could you or someone who has worked with you on the important
issues over these past many months, a draft of a short new set of
comments-- perhaps based on the January 2025 one you shared and
addressing the newest questions.
You could lay out a path for NCSG to follow and we would very much
appreciate it!
Best and tx,
Kathy
On 5/12/2025 4:50 AM, Benjamin Akinmoyeje wrote:
> Dear Kathy,
> Thank you for bringing this concern up. Previously, we have made
> efforts to explain the continuous improvement process group's work on
> the mailing list, and we had a few members participate and share their
> positions on the process. We have passed the public comments period
> for this group's work. NCSG wrote a comment.
>
> The NCUC has indicated that we are to support the process, especially
> that SO and ACs should be accountable to their members and the
> community as indicated by ICANN's bylaws. We influenced the final
> state of the five principles.
> The concern we shared was in respect of duplication of effort between
> CIP CCG and the Pilot Holistic Review Team.
> During the process, the GNSO also adopted an approach to align the
> different stakeholder Groups (SGs) on the CIP CCG, which is running
> concurrently. This was done to ensure CIP CCG and the Pilot Holistic
> Review Team's efforts consolidate with each other and agree on the 5
> principles of the continuous improvement framework.
>
>
> The *CIP-CCG *was formed to review whether the Continuous Improvement
> Program Framework is fit for purpose for each Supporting Organization,
> Advisory Committee, and the Nominating Committee.
> The Continuous Improvement Program Framework will strengthen the
> existing culture of continuous improvement while enabling the
> community groups to identify areas for improvement and work toward
> these improvements in a way that works for them. By adopting the
> proposed framework, the community groups can do what makes sense for
> them while maintaining accountability to their stakeholders and
> transparency to the ICANN community,
> https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/continuous-improvement-program-framework-21-11-2024.
>
>
> After months of work and community engagement, there was a public call
> for comments, and NCSG made a comment as well as indicated here in the
> draft document
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XD1et1aNM4i-6d0-Vklx1iY-AcPx0UN6TDnJE4rcxPI/edit?tab=t.0
>
> The questions asked by the public comments are these below:
>
> *Question 1*. Whether the Continuous Improvement Program Framework is
> fit for purpose to evolve Organizational Reviews led by Independent
> Examiners into a Continuous Improvement Program led by the ICANN
> community, to inform the eventual Holistic Review
>
> * a.* Do you agree with the five principles, based on the current
> Organizational Review objectives described in the ICANN Bylaws, to
> apply across the organizational structures (SOs, ACs, and the NomCom)?
> *Question 2*. Agreement for the Continuous Improvement Program
> Framework to be adopted by each SO, AC, and the NomCom:
> * a*.Do you agree with the plan for the next steps to carry the
> Continuous Improvement Program out in two, 3-year assessment periods?
>
> This was a final call to encourage anyone who may still have any
> opinion on the issue to have an opportunity to add their voice to the
> conversation, it will also help our representatives to have some
> points to discuss at the next meeting.
>
> I hope I answered the questions, I am willing to explain further
> without boring you with too much information.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Benjamin
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 3:48 PM Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at kathykleiman.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Benjamin and anyone else who has been participating in this
> process,
>
> Often our leaders (and those who are following an issue) lead the
> writing of the comments. You are the ones who know what was
> discussed and debated, what tentative decisions and new proposals
> are controversial, and where are the rough edges that our comments
> can help to smooth.
>
> It is very difficult from someone completely outside the process
> to come in "cold" and draft comments.
>
> /Benjamin, I ask you and others involved with the CIP CCG: What
> do you like? What concerns you? As people involved in this
> process, what issues would be helped by an NCUC comment?/
>
> Best and many tx, Kathy
>
> On 5/9/2025 1:43 AM, Benjamin Akinmoyeje wrote:
>> Apologies for cross-posting, I just want to bring this to your
>> attention.
>>
>> I want to encourage members to review the CIP CCG (Continuous
>> Improvement Process Cross-Community Group) for any additional
>> comments you may wish to add directly to the Public Comment
>> Response Tracker
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WiMGcNFESEJxvisbc6wcIA2l-G9pPOEELmz1B0CSEUg/edit?gid=1643030715*gid=1643030715__;Iw!!PtGJab4!6a5k3apVyYAzAXwbvk1_bXwLqh1_da70xDCL_UhHwZ108jtsPlSiBWLWg048vgSL8HQkBi8wf6tB2l2rkTpRiJFbow$>.
>>
>>
>> It only requires a short time to review all the feedback received
>> and documented.
>>
>> Have your final say on the process and help us to report your
>> contributions at the next meeting.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Benjamin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 8:21 PM Caleb Ogundele
>> <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>> This is a follow-up regarding the previous update on the
>> ongoing work in the CIP CCG (Continuous Improvement Process
>> Cross-Community Group).
>> As progress continues, the latest staff email (included in
>> the thread below) indicates that we are now at the final
>> feedback stage. There are two ways to provide input:
>>
>> For collective feedback, please reach out so that we can
>> incorporate your input in the comment tracker before the
>> final text is drafted.
>>
>> This community consultation process aims to ensure everyone
>> is included before finalizing the verbiage. We welcome your
>> contributions and thoughts on this matter.
>>
>> Special thanks to those who have already shared their
>> insights, and particular appreciation to Pedro de Perdigão
>> Lana for his excellent work during the Public Comment period.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> *Caleb Ogundele
>> *
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: *Jessica Puccio via cip-ccg* <cip-ccg at icann.org>
>> Date: Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 10:20 AM
>> Subject: [cip-ccg] Meeting Follow-Up & Next Steps | Next
>> Meeting 14 May 2025 @ 14 UTC
>> To: cip-ccg at icann.org <cip-ccg at icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear CIP-CCG Members -
>>
>> On Wednesday we walked through feedback to Q2.a and welcome
>> any final thoughts or revisions to the verbiage. Any
>> additional comments may be added directly to the Public
>> Comment Response Tracker.
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WiMGcNFESEJxvisbc6wcIA2l-G9pPOEELmz1B0CSEUg/edit?gid=1643030715*gid=1643030715__;Iw!!PtGJab4!6a5k3apVyYAzAXwbvk1_bXwLqh1_da70xDCL_UhHwZ108jtsPlSiBWLWg048vgSL8HQkBi8wf6tB2l2rkTpRiJFbow$>If
>> no further concerns are raised by *07 May 2025*, we’ll
>> proceed with drafting the final verbiage, as currently shown,
>> for publication on the CIP-CCG community wiki
>> <https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/gveKBg>and in
>> the Public Comment proceeding page
>> <https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/continuous-improvement-program-framework-21-11-2024>.
>>
>> During the next call on *14 May 2025 at 14 UTC*, we will plan
>> for *90-minutes* to discuss the framework document
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RCz6PJcA7Y32geWgxdDawqqFc7RU1juLaRNdhaG_pwY/edit?usp=sharing>,
>> focusing on the sections where updates were suggested based
>> on the Public Comment feedback and agreed to by the CIP-CIG.
>> Please take the time to review the proposed updates prior to
>> the next call. If time permits, we will continue our
>> discussion of the appendix and the finalization of the
>> framework.
>>
>> We appreciate your time and consideration.
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jessica Puccio
>>
>> Sr Coordinator, Review Support and Accountability Projects
>>
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN
>> <http://www.icann.org/>)
>>
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>> --
>> *Caleb Ogundele*
>> Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
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