[NCUC-DISCUSS] David and his many positions at NCUC/NCSG/NPOC

[Michael Karanicolas]

Thank you - Nadira - I think that it is an excellent idea to slot this
for discussion at ICANN63.

Personally, while I tried to steer clear of this before the election
in line with my own practice of not endorsing candidates one way or
the other, I thought it was unfortunate that this worked out the way
it did, given that the position David was running for was contested,
and I think that we benefit more from having a diverse and varied
leadership group than having positions concentrated in a few hands.
That said, I also think James Gannon and others raise a legitimate
point that the constituency has spoken - and elections have to be
respected. The membership knew about this dual role, it was discussed
before the election, and David received the most votes. However, it is
incumbent on the EC, through consultation with the membership, to
consider how to address the potential for conflict and overlap here,
and I think that ICANN63 is the most appropriate forum to do so -
given that it's where we will be handling the transition.

I'll also add that I, personally, agree with Ayden that it would be
inappropriate for David to "double-dip" back and forth between NCUC
and NPOC resources in terms of seeking travel support (NPOC for
ICANN63, NCUC for ICANN64, etc.). I think this sets a very bad
precedent given the limited travel budgets that both constituencies
have. I think he should commit to relying on one or another for the
duration or, in the alternative, commit to playing by the same rules
that ECs generally play by - where constituency support for one
meeting makes you ineligible for applying for constituency support
(from either NCUC or NPOC) for the next one.

Michael
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 5:39 PM Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This email thread raises an important issue that I find contradicting to what the
> NCUC/NCSG/NPOC communities preaches. The tremendous efforts in capacity building programs and outreach to bringing new members to contribute to the policy work and leadership roles at the same time the stated bylaws doesn't help on this regards.
>
> Thanks Tapani for pointing that the bylaws does allows that. I think it might be that these bylaws were put at the time when there were few volunteers. But now the community is growing, hence there is need to revisit these bylaws to encourage new members to get into the leadership roles as an incentive to their actual contributions to the community work whether it is in policy or on managerial work.
>
> I suggest to add this suggestion on the agenda for discussion at ICANN 63 meeting.
>
> Best wishes
> Nadira
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018, 22:31 Tapani Tarvainen <ncuc at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
>>
>> This discussion has become a bit weird. After all:
>>
>> * There's nothing in any bylaws or charters against being in NCUC EC
>> and NPOC EC at the same time.
>>
>> * There's no inherent conflict of interest between NCUC and NPOC, and
>> should there be such in some individual case, David presumably will
>> recuse himself.
>>
>> * David make his plan perfectly clear before the election, voters knew
>> it and voted him in.
>>
>> Admittedly this is a completely new situation, and it is an open
>> question how well it will work, but NCUC members have chosen to let
>> David try it. If it does cause problems, by all means let's fix them,
>> but I find it odd people are saying we should try to prevent this
>> situation from reoccurring before we've seen how it works out now.
>>
>> As for travel slots, I would find it inappropriate if David were to
>> declare he'll only accept them from one constituency. Whatever he
>> does, he should treat NCUC and NPOC as equally as possible. Of course
>> this situation calls for more cooperation and coordination between
>> NCUC and NPOC ECs than before, but I don't think that's a bad
>> thing.
>>
>> --
>> Tapani Tarvainen
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