[NCUC-DISCUSS] Candidate statement

[Tapani Tarvainen]

Hi David,

You are making an interesting, I dare say bold attempt to change
the relationship between our constituencies.

Theoretically it's just fine: NCSG Charter explicitly allows
overlapping membership and as I read it, the specific intent is that
constituencies should be based on different issues, interests or
viewpoints, not different people fighting about same issues.

So it would make perfect sense for some people to work on two (or
more) constituencies, and indeed we've long had organizations that
belong to both NCUC and NPOC as well as individuals who are
organizational representatives in NPOC and individual members in NCUC.

But most people have been primarily active in one or the other, and in
practice NCUC and NPOC have more often been competing than cooperating
in the past. Certainly there's never before been even an attempt to
have their leaderships overlap like this.

I don't know how it'd work out in practice. Perhaps it would help
cooperation and lessen the competitive and even antagonistic
relationships that our constituencies have historically had.

Or perhaps those feelings will would overcome and make people on one
side or both treat you as a spy and things will fall apart.

But I don't see anything inappropriate in the attempt.

I am worried about the workload, though: it would be more than the sum
of two EC positions, you'd be in effect a liaison between the two ECs, too.

In fact it might make sense to have such a liaison position anyway, as
a separate job. Something to consider if you don't make it.

But if you could really make it work, it could lead to a historic change
in NCSG's intra-constituency relations. Sounds like worth trying to me.

Regards,

Tapani

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 01:37:09AM +0800, David Cake (dave at davecake.net) wrote:
> 
> I do not feel the two positions intrinsically conflict - the two constituencies should complement each other, I represent one of several organisations that have cross-membership, I think the NCSG would be more functional if more organisations had cross membership to address different aspects of their activities. I do not know if it will work - no one has tried before - but I do not know that it won’t. I intend to be scrupulous about conflicts of interest, and resign as appropriate if they become problematic, or if time commitments become too much (though noting we often have members of the EC with other significant time commitments within ICANN), but I personally do not anticipate that the conflicts will be unsurmountable. I will also resign from one position if asked to by either EC.
> 
> I ran for the position of Policy Committee chair, NPOC is structured differently to NCUC, the Policy Committee chair is automatically part of their EC (I’m surprised as NCSG Chair that you are unfamiliar with the structure of one of its constituencies). I ran with the intention of focussing on policy issues, but there are obviously other EC decisions that need to be made. NPOC does not have the same regional structure as NCUC, and as I said to intend to work on regional strategy.
> 
> I certainly accept that some people may feel that this is not an appropriate way to work towards greater coordination between the constituencies - if you find the idea very problematic, then it would be appropriate to vote against me.
> 
> Regards
> 
> David
> 
> 
> > On 21 Sep 2018, at 6:21 am, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Thank you
> > 
> > I would like to ask you here how are you going to change the relationship of npoc and ncuc when you ran for NPOC election, Winning a contested seat ( I thought it was NPOC EC, is it EC or PC or both?) and then decided to come back and run for an NCUC position? When you moved there we thought you want to help build NPOC.
> > 
> >  I don't see any indication that you will be resigning from NPOC position if you get elected. Will you not resign?  Are you planning to hold both positions?
> > 
> > even if you resign from NPOC I think you running for NCUC EC after having won in npoc election was not fair.   NCUC and NPOC have been trying to work together and I sincerely don't think the way to enhance their relationship is the way you have chosen.
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 1:30 PM David Cake <dave at davecake.net <mailto:dave at davecake.net>> wrote:
> >         I accepted the nomination for NCUC EC Asia Pacific representative for three reasons.
> > I have long experience with ICANN, particularly with its policy processes, but also with its community leaders etc. There is a lot of history and it is a very complex institution that takes years to fully understand. I think the EC having at least once member with significant experience with ICANN policy processes (such as how GNSO council operates, the policy development process, historical interactions with other parts of ICANN such as the ALAC or GAC) is very valuable.
> > 
> >         I intend to work on Asia Pacific regional coordination and outreach issues in the next year, beginning with attendance at the OpenTechFund Summit in Taipei shortly after the ICANN Barcelona meeting. I intend to do this anyway, and of course it will involve talking to many NCUC (and NCSG) colleagues in any event, but I feel it will be significantly better if we are able to link it outreach efforts through those networks to NCUC regional outreach efforts.
> > 
> >         And I think we have a good chance to change the relationship between NCUC and NPOC to one that is more cooperative and complementary than it has historically been, and I am committed to working towards that.
> > 
> >         I hope my ICANN record is known to many by now - NCSG GNSO Councillor for 4 years, 2 as Vice-Chair, a lot of working group experience including the Next-generation RDS working group Vice-chair, etc. I have previously served on the NCUC Executive Committee, and for a short time as acting Chair of NCUC, in 2012. I am currently the chair of the NPOC Policy Committee, and as such a member of the NCSG Policy committee.
> > 
> >         David
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> > Farzaneh
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