[NCUC-DISCUSS] IGF 2018 Workshop Proposal Submitted

[Claire Craig]

Kathy thanks for your comments. I beginning to wonder about what I was
reading.

CCC

On 7 June 2018 at 15:38, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
> I'm on two different ICANN lists right now where there is a lot of email
> about bad feeling.
>
> IMHO, this is not good for Working Groups or Stakeholder Groups.  I'm just
> going to throw into the mix that I think everyone does the best we can. We
> are all volunteers, we all have deadlines, friends, family and a myriad of
> other things that keep us busy. We work on ICANN when we can, how we can.
>
> And with that, I am off to take some aspirin!
> Best, Kathy
>
> On 6/7/2018 2:35 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>
> Hi Renata,
>
> Your response is cute but misleading. You have not answered my very simple
> question.
>
> Does the EC have a Skype channel which it uses, and whose messages are
> only accessible to current members of the EC?
>
> I am not talking about other Skype channels which have open membership and
> anyone can join by following the link, and you know it.
>
> Ayden
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 20:29, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi The official deliberation channel is EC list. Please refer to our new
> bylaws in case of any questions. NCUC does have a Skype channel and it's
> called NCUC 2018 - General Chat. Those willing to join, please email
> chair at ncuc.org w/ your ID And it is as it's called - a chat channel, not
> a deliberation one. Unfortunately Skype is not a very effective tool. I
> find that other apps are better for chat nowadays. IG Hub channel is one
> I'd recommend. Chat is different from secret deliberation channel. EC does
> chat with each other too but again, Skype is so old. On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at
> 3:13 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote: > Hi Renata, > > Are there any
> "unofficial" deliberation channels that the NCUC Executive > Committee
> uses? I have not suggested that the official archives have been > tampered
> with — I have asked a very plain question, when you deliberate > off-list,
> where does this happen, and what decisions does the EC think are >
> acceptable to happen, say, on Skype, where most members will not be able to
> > review the decision making trail? > > Regards, > > Ayden > > Sent from
> ProtonMail Mobile > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 20:07, Renata Aquino Ribeiro >
> wrote: > > Hi Ayden I think you are familiar with how list servers work and
> how they > record messages automatically. If one message is to be removed
> from the > archives it is a very complicated process. So the archive is
> recording all > messages exchanged by the EC which refer to deliberation
> process. That is > the official channel of deliberation of the EC and the
> messages that count. > The time constraint is referred to on the thread of
> EC approval, which is > deadline of IGF, 6 June. Best, Renata On Thu, Jun
> 7, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Ayden > Férdeline wrote: > Hi Renata, > > What were the
> "time constraints"? The > proposal submission deadline that was > known two
> months in advance? > > The > archives seem incomplete and often refer to
> taking conversations > off-list. > How frequently does this happen, and how
> does the Executive > Committee > reach the decision to take a conversation
> offline and away from > membership > review? Do these off-list
> conversations happen behind a closed > archive, or > through another
> medium? > > Thank you, > > Ayden > > Sent from ProtonMail > Mobile > > > On
> Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 19:51, Renata Aquino Ribeiro > wrote: > >> Dear all All
> the processes done by the Executive Committee can be followed >> up on our
> open archives list > > https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-
> bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec Any work passed on > > this list for
> membership review is collective work and can receive inputs up >> to when
> the proposal is finalized. Indeed the proposal could have been > sent >
> with more time but the EC was alerted that there were time > constraints
> and > voted for it knowingly. This proposal received majority of > the EC
> and > (should it be approved) members can still make suggestions up > to
> the day of > the presentation. NCUC remains open for suggestion from >
> members on actions > and projects that help us focus back on policy work >
> done in ICANN. Best, > Renata > _______________________________________________
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